Very well said Shawn. I've always tried to maintain a neutral Position, despite my loyalty and affiliation. My job and my goal is to catch carp, bring positive press, teach, and show what carp angling is all about and what it can be. I firmly believe that we if things keep going this way will ruin things for everyone. Whether its free, or not, for profit, or not. The bottom line is we can and should coexist. There has become a stigma for both forums and it isn't good. Everyone can benefit from one another if stubborn personal beliefs can be set aside. My two gold pieces.