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Carp Have The Highest Iq Of Any Fish - Article In Magazine

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I am going back to Iowa and am taking 10 kids carp fishing. I read an article in a magazine years and years ago (1980's or 1990's)about a college that did a study and found the carp had the highest IQ. They put the different kinds of fish to test and the carp was the smartest fish - they had mazes - feeding times - light panel - and the carp did better than - bass - trout - and all the other fish they tested. I think the study was done by the University of Michigan but I am not sure.

I would like to find this in information so I can give it to the kids so they can feel good about catching the smartest fish. I have a carp trophy for the week of carp fishing so the kids will want to win. Phone know all there is in the world of carp so I will test his IQ.

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Jeff

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That would be a cool article to have on hand when spreading the word on carp fishing. Please post if anyone is able to find it. :yourock:

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ZZZZZZZZZZZ,

I have exactly such an article. It is from studies in psychology, not ichthyology.

First, let me say "intelligence" is, abstract thought, understanding, communication, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving. Carp can't reason, plan, solve problems, or think abstractly, they are fish. Intelligence is primarily a human conditions. (Officially published today by Phone - my definition)

The Common carp (Cyprinus carpio) are indeed among the smartest freshwater fishes, if not THE smartest. They learn well for fish. They have the longest complex learning retention of all fishes tested. I do not know how to find this academic study on line and I have it in old style hard copy (Gulph University, Canada). What exactly would you like me to "retype" from it for you. They cannot preform simple tasks requiring two or more operations. They can and do remember color in sufficient light. They smell and taste about 100,000 times better than humans and can actually "taste" electric current. They can see UV light in the light spectrum - that we cannot. As omnivores, they out preform predatory fish (carnivors) and plant eating fish (herbivores) by a factor of 1000 when placed in an unnatural envronment. (I'm not sure I've used the word "factor" correctly. It may be that I should be saying "times".(?))

Carp are the epitomy of survival. Not in the study, but I believe I would compare carp with the cockroach or European rat in their ability to survive in adverse environments and thrive in good conditions.

I never cease to be amazed by carp. They are large brained for fish but still it is almost impossible to distinguish between instinct and learning when talking about them in their natural habitit

Phone

Just ask, I'll answer. (The above is from memory)

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JD,

We need to find that guy's "next week's article" since he says he's devoting it to carp smarts.

Phone

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JD,

We need to find that guy's "next week's article" since he says he's devoting it to carp smarts.

Phone

I'm looking based on the info you provided.

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Phone, did you ever do an IQ test? Just curious... wink.gif

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Phone

Do you know "who" wrote the article / study. A name will help.

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JD,

Yes, I do (will). However I'll have to go to the basement to retrieve the document. In the morning after coffee I'll look for it.

Phone

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Jerome,

The first word in IQ, the "I" makes it impossible. I've had some pretty frank and indepth conversations whilst laying bankside sharing a ciggy though. As for me, I am president of the "Just a Fish" school.

Phone

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Hi Phone:

You are the man - I will have to see if I can find the next week article he wrote. I know you have the highest carp IQ on CAG and am looking forward to the name of the person that wrote that article when you find it.

Jeff

P.S - I can always trust you to come up with an answer to my crazy questions.

ZZZZZZZZZZZ,

I have exactly such an article. It is from studies in psychology, not ichthyology.

First, let me say "intelligence" is, abstract thought, understanding, communication, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving. Carp can't reason, plan, solve problems, or think abstractly, they are fish. Intelligence is primarily a human conditions. (Officially published today by Phone - my definition)

The Common carp (Cyprinus carpio) are indeed among the smartest freshwater fishes, if not THE smartest. They learn well for fish. They have the longest complex learning retention of all fishes tested. I do not know how to find this academic study on line and I have it in old style hard copy (Gulph University, Canada). What exactly would you like me to "retype" from it for you. They cannot preform simple tasks requiring two or more operations. They can and do remember color in sufficient light. They smell and taste about 100,000 times better than humans and can actually "taste" electric current. They can see UV light in the light spectrum - that we cannot. As omnivores, they out preform predatory fish (carnivors) and plant eating fish (herbivores) by a factor of 1000 when placed in an unnatural envronment. (I'm not sure I've used the word "factor" correctly. It may be that I should be saying "times".(?))

Carp are the epitomy of survival. Not in the study, but I believe I would compare carp with the cockroach or European rat in their ability to survive in adverse environments and thrive in good conditions.

I never cease to be amazed by carp. They are large brained for fish but still it is almost impossible to distinguish between instinct and learning when talking about them in their natural habitit

Phone

Just ask, I'll answer. (The above is from memory)

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JD:

Thank you so much I can not wait to show the kids this information in Iowa. The carp tourney will be better if they know how smart a carp is and how smart they are for going after carp.

Jeff

It's amazing how many articles you find on this now that I've done a targeted search.

http://panews.com/outdoors/x1901490100/So-what-is-the-smartest-fish

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,

I haven't found the article (yet). It may have come from University of WI Eau Claire. I'll look there next. In the meantime I found this which I dutifully typed. I had forgotten about or never read(?) this.

Carp are NOT known to communicate by making sounds (Fay, 1995), but they are classified as otophysans, a group that has bony structures (the Weberian ossicles – carp ears) coupling the swim bladder to the inner ears, in which there are hair cells with a specialized orientation pattern. Because of this anatomy, carp are among species referred to as hearing specialists, which have the greatest auditory bandwidth and sensitivity of any fish (Popper & Fay, 1993). ... Common Carp, by the way, prefer blues (1st) to classical music (2nd).

Phone

Most of the relevant stuff I'm finding is more classified under "carp memory" than IQ.

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Phone - I like clasical better but I am not as smart as a carp. I will look up carp memory.

Thanks

Jeff

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ,,

I haven't found the article (yet). It may have come from University of WI Eau Claire. I'll look there next. In the meantime I found this which I dutifully typed. I had forgotten about or never read(?) this.

Carp are NOT known to communicate by making sounds (Fay, 1995), but they are classified as otophysans, a group that has bony structures (the Weberian ossicles – carp ears) coupling the swim bladder to the inner ears, in which there are hair cells with a specialized orientation pattern. Because of this anatomy, carp are among species referred to as hearing specialists, which have the greatest auditory bandwidth and sensitivity of any fish (Popper & Fay, 1993). ... Common Carp, by the way, prefer blues (1st) to classical music (2nd).

Phone

Most of the relevant stuff I'm finding is more classified under "carp memory" than IQ.

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Appoligies if this is off topic a bit, i am convinced carp can to some degree communicate too, they use catfish to test ify looking baits :D but more seriously a place i used to fish that has pretty murky water which cut down the learn by observation factor, all the carp arnt within 4' of your bait at the same time.

This was the scenario, baited a spot regular without fishing it for a few weeks,also between sessions after fishing commenced, using 2 rods about 25' out, right hand rod tight to a reed bed on the right (particle bait) left rod 10 feet left same distance on boilie.

To start with i caught on both rods and everyfish hooked would take off straight out for open water, after about my 4th time takes on the left rod ceased alltogether, the right rod would get takes as normal and again run for the open water then it wasn't long before i hooked one that bolted right, straight into the reed bed and subsequently got away.

Now i'm not saying that this fish went around gossiping to all the others but from that point on every fish i hooked in that spot went immediatly right for the reeds, didnt lose them all as i learned how to overcome this,and i know i never caught or hooked every single carp in the water from this spot so i'm convinced they can comminicate some kind of basic safety info other than just thru visual experiance.

If mods wish they can post this topic elsewhere.

BTW Jeff where abouts in Iowa are you going?

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Appoligies if this is off topic a bit, i am convinced carp can to some degree communicate too, they use catfish to test ify looking baits :D but more seriously a place i used to fish that has pretty murky water which cut down the learn by observation factor, all the carp arnt within 4' of your bait at the same time.

This was the scenario, baited a spot regular without fishing it for a few weeks,also between sessions after fishing commenced, using 2 rods about 25' out, right hand rod tight to a reed bed on the right (particle bait) left rod 10 feet left same distance on boilie.

To start with i caught on both rods and everyfish hooked would take off straight out for open water, after about my 4th time takes on the left rod ceased alltogether, the right rod would get takes as normal and again run for the open water then it wasn't long before i hooked one that bolted right, straight into the reed bed and subsequently got away.

Now i'm not saying that this fish went around gossiping to all the others but from that point on every fish i hooked in that spot went immediatly right for the reeds, didnt lose them all as i learned how to overcome this,and i know i never caught or hooked every single carp in the water from this spot so i'm convinced they can comminicate some kind of basic safety info other than just thru visual experiance.

If mods wish they can post this topic elsewhere.

BTW Jeff where abouts in Iowa are you going?

Mick -- sounds like a story I often relate -- about fishing with you on the Delta (Using a super Tiger Nut & Coconut Milk method mix) - when I got a couple of 20+s and you charmed Stevens?

Might be wrong -- but, it all sounds very familiar?

Interesting theory -- and I full well remember me being the recipient of those fish running into the weedbed on my left hand side, and all the chat we had about them communicating.

Here's a pic of one of those fish -

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Those Delta fish know their stuff ;)

Have a great time on Blackfoot B)

PS - Thanks for the fine photo's you took :D

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It was the example i used that night but def not the delta and bl ft is looming :jumpy:

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Baitbucket,

As you say, it is my experience too that carp are far smarter than I am. Unfortunately, angler science, and buffin science are different. I believe, as you do, fish have instincive defenses some of which are reinforced by "learning". Science is not very good at being able to "prove" that point. There are to many variables.

Surely ZZZZZZZ is not looking for my "excuse" list.

Phone

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I read somewhere? thinking in Paisleys book "To Catch a Carp" that he or one of the guests thought carp can communicate and stated reasons why they had this belief. I'll look and see if i can find it!

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I read somewhere? thinking in Paisleys book "To Catch a Carp" that he or one of the guests thought carp can communicate and stated reasons why they had this belief. I'll look and see if i can find it!

I was relieved when i read an article by Dave Moore in A UK Carp Mag that said the same thing, i'm not the only nut :D

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Baitbucket,

Since you have already "trashed" the thread (ha ha) I will relate the most interesting, to me, event concerning carp I ever witnessed.

Up North, on the Mississippi River I watched carp consume grain that spilled while loading barges. In what appeared to be in an organized effort they would eat from the pile of perhaps 200 bushels. Then collectively they would swim to a communial granary that was out of the current and poop undigested kernels for later consumption. Again, it appeared organized (like ants). I have been convinced and convinced myself this cannot happen - carp aren't that smart. They cannot "learn" multi-tasking. But I saw it with my own eyes. You know what I mean?

Phone

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All I know is....that there a hell of a lot smarter than me ~8 \

How many times have I blanked??????

ever have one that's on the hook, deliberately swim towards a submerged obstacle?? to free himself/herself....????

they must have something going for them,,,instinct, brain power, something,,,,,beats the sugar outta me...

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Hi Bait:

I am going to Davenport Iowa and fishing the back waters of the Mississippi. I think there will be about 10 kids so I hope I can find the carp or it will be a long week of fising.

Appoligies if this is off topic a bit, i am convinced carp can to some degree communicate too, they use catfish to test ify looking baits :D but more seriously a place i used to fish that has pretty murky water which cut down the learn by observation factor, all the carp arnt within 4' of your bait at the same time.

This was the scenario, baited a spot regular without fishing it for a few weeks,also between sessions after fishing commenced, using 2 rods about 25' out, right hand rod tight to a reed bed on the right (particle bait) left rod 10 feet left same distance on boilie.

To start with i caught on both rods and everyfish hooked would take off straight out for open water, after about my 4th time takes on the left rod ceased alltogether, the right rod would get takes as normal and again run for the open water then it wasn't long before i hooked one that bolted right, straight into the reed bed and subsequently got away.

Now i'm not saying that this fish went around gossiping to all the others but from that point on every fish i hooked in that spot went immediatly right for the reeds, didnt lose them all as i learned how to overcome this,and i know i never caught or hooked every single carp in the water from this spot so i'm convinced they can comminicate some kind of basic safety info other than just thru visual experiance.

If mods wish they can post this topic elsewhere.

BTW Jeff where abouts in Iowa are you going?

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ZZZZZZZZZZZ,

You want my kid proof entertainment kit? Well, I'll give it to you anyway. Take along a pound of the smallest fishmeal pellets you can find. When the kids get bored toss a handful in the water about 6 ft or so out. In 2 minutes, with cane poles and 3 -4 ft. of line - small bobber (very small) - and #10 hook. A 1/16th oz splitshot makes it easier for them to handle. Put about 1/4th inch of earthworm on the hook. Every water in Iowa has green sunfish. Kids don't really care what it is they are catching - just catching is usually enough.

Won't work without the fishmeal! And actually line size doesn't bother sunfish. If you aren't into cane or willow poles I know for a fact Snoopy rods work better then Charlie Brown rods.

Phone

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