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[cubzzz]

I am going back to Iowa and am taking 10 kids carp fishing. I read an article in a magazine years and years ago (1980's or 1990's)about a college that did a study and found the carp had the highest IQ. They put the different kinds of fish to test and the carp was the smartest fish - they had mazes - feeding times - light panel - and the carp did better than - bass - trout - and all the other fish they tested. I think the study was done by the University of Michigan but I am not sure.
I would like to find this in information so I can give it to the kids so they can feel good about catching the smartest fish. I have a carp trophy for the week of carp fishing so the kids will want to win. Phone know all there is in the world of carp so I will test his IQ.

Thanks
Jeff

[Idaho Carpin]

That would be a cool article to have on hand when spreading the word on carp fishing. Please post if anyone is able to find it.

[Willem (JD)]

It's amazing how many articles you find on this now that I've done a targeted search.

http://panews.com/ou...e-smartest-fish

[phonebush]

ZZZZZZZZZZZ,

I have exactly such an article. It is from studies in psychology, not ichthyology.

First, let me say "intelligence" is, abstract thought, understanding, communication, planning, emotional intelligence and problem solving. Carp can't reason, plan, solve problems, or think abstractly, they are fish. Intelligence is primarily a human conditions. (Officially published today by Phone - my definition)


The Common carp (Cyprinus carpio) are indeed among the smartest freshwater fishes, if not THE smartest. They learn well for fish. They have the longest complex learning retention of all fishes tested. I do not know how to find this academic study on line and I have it in old style hard copy (Gulph University, Canada). What exactly would you like me to "retype" from it for you. They cannot preform simple tasks requiring two or more operations. They can and do remember color in sufficient light. They smell and taste about 100,000 times better than humans and can actually "taste" electric current. They can see UV light in the light spectrum - that we cannot. As omnivores, they out preform predatory fish (carnivors) and plant eating fish (herbivores) by a factor of 1000 when placed in an unnatural envronment. (I'm not sure I've used the word "factor" correctly. It may be that I should be saying "times".(?))

Carp are the epitomy of survival. Not in the study, but I believe I would compare carp with the cockroach or European rat in their ability to survive in adverse environments and thrive in good conditions.

I never cease to be amazed by carp. They are large brained for fish but still it is almost impossible to distinguish between instinct and learning when talking about them in their natural habitit

Phone
Just ask, I'll answer. (The above is from memory)

Edited by phonebush, 26 April 2011 - 06:26 PM.

[phonebush]

JD,

We need to find that guy's "next week's article" since he says he's devoting it to carp smarts.

Phone

[Willem (JD)]

JD,

We need to find that guy's "next week's article" since he says he's devoting it to carp smarts.

Phone

I'm looking based on the info you provided.

[Jerome]

Phone, did you ever do an IQ test? Just curious...

[Willem (JD)]

Phone

Do you know "who" wrote the article / study. A name will help.

[phonebush]

JD,

Yes, I do (will). However I'll have to go to the basement to retrieve the document. In the morning after coffee I'll look for it.

Phone

[phonebush]

Jerome,

The first word in IQ, the "I" makes it impossible. I've had some pretty frank and indepth conversations whilst laying bankside sharing a ciggy though. As for me, I am president of the "Just a Fish" school.

Phone