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Carp World Records & Euro Paylake Carp

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The redhead is really cute , got her number ???

Thanks carpinken needed that

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I did receive reports. NOT for opinions but for going personal.

Many CAG members do not like the way guests behave and attack others in their replies.

KingCarp, although you've been on the CAG forum for many years, every single comment you made in the last couple years ( besides photography) are negative.

Based on reports received, many CAG members don't mind your opinion, but don't like your personal attacks on people.

If you wish to call people dumb or morons, do so in Private, even better, don't.

Nobody attacked you as claimed. Members simply quoted some of your previous rants.

The Canadian section is one of the most productive and positive sections on the CAG forum.

If you wish to discuss the validity of Euro Caught Record Carp, start a discussion in the Members section "Off Topic" and have a civil discussion there.

Regards

I'm sorry but I just have to add this to what you wrote because I don't think it's fair to isolate KingCarp and label him as THE bad guy. If you read his original comment, there's nothing wrong with it. He didn't like the world record carp because of the way it was produced and he used strong words to express that but it's OK to have that opinion. Reading the posts, I can infer that Mario and KingCarp have a history and know each other. So Mario took a jab at KingCarp and then KingCarp obviously got offended and went on the defense. Then Mario went on the defense. Then others got offended and went on the defense.

I just don't think it's fair to solely name KingCarp as the bad guy and lay all the blame on him because a lot of people participated in name calling and personal attacks. And I will say that just reading the posts on the surface, KingCarp's posts are very blunt/abrasive and Mario's appears more polite but that's because KingCarp's (Bob) first language is not English. He's not as fluent in English as Mario. But if you read the posts, they are both of the same nature. Neither one's is better or worse.

And I think many have a misunderstanding of KingCarp because he does come off somewhat abrasive because English is not his first language. But I have sought the assistance of KingCarp in the past about photography and he was one of the most gracious person I've met on the forum. He really is a good guy, just like Mario and most of the people I've conversed with on the forum.

If the above post about how terrible of a guy KingCarp is is going to stay, I believe that my post should stay too. It's not right to try to crucify one person when others had done and wrote essentially the same sort of stuff.

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I'm sorry but I just have to add this to what you wrote because I don't think it's fair to isolate KingCarp and label him as THE bad guy. If you read his original comment, there's nothing wrong with it. He didn't like the world record carp because of the way it was produced and he used strong words to express that but it's OK to have that opinion. Reading the posts, I can infer that Mario and KingCarp have a history and know each other. So Mario took a jab at KingCarp and then KingCarp obviously got offended and went on the defense. Then Mario went on the defense. Then others got offended and went on the defense.

I just don't think it's fair to solely name KingCarp as the bad guy and lay all the blame on him because a lot of people participated in name calling and personal attacks. And I will say that just reading the posts on the surface, KingCarp's posts are very blunt/abrasive and Mario's appears more polite but that's because KingCarp's (Bob) first language is not English. He's not as fluent in English as Mario. But if you read the posts, they are both of the same nature. Neither one's is better or worse.

And I think many have a misunderstanding of KingCarp because he does come off somewhat abrasive because English is not his first language. But I have sought the assistance of KingCarp in the past about photography and he was one of the most gracious person I've met on the forum. He really is a good guy, just like Mario and most of the people I've conversed with on the forum.

If the above post about how terrible of a guy KingCarp is is going to stay, I believe that my post should stay too. It's not right to try to crucify one person when others had done and wrote essentially the same sort of stuff.

Damn Mike , you're to intelligent for your own good . I prefer to keep my blinders on and take out my rage on the bad guy though . And that's my stance

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the fact he posted a load of ill informed opinion as facts as an attempt to belittle other posters has nothing to do with it? :rolleyes:

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I keep hitting the delete button on my keyboard but the post is still here lol

Do you think maybe it could be moved to off topic discussion?

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I'm sorry but I just have to add this to what you wrote because I don't think it's fair to isolate KingCarp and label him as THE bad guy. If you read his original comment, there's nothing wrong with it. He didn't like the world record carp because of the way it was produced and he used strong words to express that but it's OK to have that opinion. Reading the posts, I can infer that Mario and KingCarp have a history and know each other. So Mario took a jab at KingCarp and then KingCarp obviously got offended and went on the defense. Then Mario went on the defense. Then others got offended and went on the defense.

I just don't think it's fair to solely name KingCarp as the bad guy and lay all the blame on him because a lot of people participated in name calling and personal attacks. And I will say that just reading the posts on the surface, KingCarp's posts are very blunt/abrasive and Mario's appears more polite but that's because KingCarp's (Bob) first language is not English. He's not as fluent in English as Mario. But if you read the posts, they are both of the same nature. Neither one's is better or worse.

And I think many have a misunderstanding of KingCarp because he does come off somewhat abrasive because English is not his first language. But I have sought the assistance of KingCarp in the past about photography and he was one of the most gracious person I've met on the forum. He really is a good guy, just like Mario and most of the people I've conversed with on the forum.

If the above post about how terrible of a guy KingCarp is is going to stay, I believe that my post should stay too. It's not right to try to crucify one person when others had done and wrote essentially the same sort of stuff.

With all respect. You jumped into this at the @ss end of this topic. I've already removed the name calling by KingCarp. I removed the inflammatory comments after reports came in on SUNDAY.

And yes, I can single him out because he's the only one that called others names and idiots.

If you wish to question my actions, I can always contact you to read comments first before I remove them, that way I don't have to sit here and waste my time like this, explaining myself to others.

NOTHING I said had anything to do with him and Mario.

AGAIN, if you followed the post from the start, you would have known he did not call Mario names, so I've got no idea how you base your complaint on a "Bob and Mario" case, their comments did not involve name calling.

PS: English is not my first language either, so I understood KingCarp very well. :) The word "IDIOT" is not Misunderstandable :)

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European Paylakes..... Now there are two words I never figured to see as they might relate to each other. I'm feeling a little weard about now.. Like I've just been taken advantage of or something like that. Next thing you know the girls will be using baitcasters and stumps. What is this carp angling world comming to anyway? Is nothing sacred?

Tom.

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European Paylakes..... Now there are two words I never figured to see as they might relate to each other. I'm feeling a little weard about now.. Like I've just been taken advantage of or something like that. Next thing you know the girls will be using baitcasters and stumps. What is this carp angling world comming to anyway? Is nothing sacred?

Tom.

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Mike, just to clarify things, more than anything people took offence to Bob's patronizing and insulting tone. Bob's answer to my very first post introducing myself in 2005 on this forum was "now if you ever want to catch a real carp, come fish with me in Canada". How's that for patronizing? After that there have been similar unprovoked incidents on other forums as well.

Now what happened in the past doesn't really have anything to do with this topic, other than Bob using the same patronizing and insulting tone towards other CAG members (like Willem said, this had nothing to do with me). I think being a forum guest, taking such an offense tone towards CAG members you are really pushing your luck. He might have been helpful to you in another topic, but he stepped over the line in this one. One action does not compensate for another.

Can we get back on topic now?

No matter how you look at it, a carp over a 100lb is a giant fish. Would I personally want to fish there? Absolutely not. B)

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Homeruns all over the place........

I have to agree that on any front, no matter where it came from, or how many kgs of boilies it was fed everyday, its a remarkable fish......even if it fights like someone who cant punch their way out of a wet paper bag with scissors in their hands...........the angler still had to land it.......

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Mike, just to clarify things, more than anything people took offence to Bob's patronizing and insulting tone. Bob's answer to my very first post introducing myself in 2005 on this forum was "now if you ever want to catch a real carp, come fish with me in Canada". How's that for patronizing? After that there have been similar unprovoked incidents on other forums as well.

Now what happened in the past doesn't really have anything to do with this topic, other than Bob using the same patronizing and insulting tone towards other CAG members (like Willem said, this had nothing to do with me). I think being a forum guest, taking such an offense tone towards CAG members you are really pushing your luck. He might have been helpful to you in another topic, but he stepped over the line in this one. One action does not compensate for another.

Can we get back on topic now?

No matter how you look at it, a carp over a 100lb is a giant fish. Would I personally want to fish there? Absolutely not. B)

I do admit that he does come off abrasive but having conversed with him, I know that this is not his intention and it's just a misunderstanding arising from a language barrier. But regardless I think his point was that this fish is gross because of the un-natural and even unethical way it was created to be over 100 lbs. I didn't think much of it before but after reading KingCarp's posts and having thought about it, I think I agree with him. I feel sorry for carps that are not allowed to be free in their natural environment and put into ponds and overfed until they grow to be obese. (I believe this fish was caught in a huge water system but it was still raised and overfed in a pond to get that big, right?) I know carp are just animals but the sort of life that are subjected to these potential world record carp in a strange way reminds me of prostitution :o . Ok maybe that's taking it too far but that sort of torture doesn't seem right.

I also would rather catch a wild and free +40 lb carp in North America rather than these poor obese creatures any day.

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No difference of opinion there Barbel... B)

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Tried to go through this thread. Almost made it.

Here is my take on it. I would not fish for it there. I think it is a ugly fish. If I were trying to get people interested in carping I would not show that bloated fish to them. I would show Pavels and Matts 50lbers, Marios Lioness mirrors, and many other wild water fish. A fish taken from wild water, to a smaller venue, then force fed and grown so that it being caught is all but guranteed...well I don't know. Just doesn't do it for me. Wouldn't spend that kind of $$$ to fish for transplanted fish done in that way. I also don't write the rules for world records, so everyone plays by the rules set forth. Heaviest fish is king, and the way it got there doesn't matter.

I really don't care about the records over there or fish they are catching. Across the big pond, out of mind.

On the other hand there is the notorious "secret" US mirror lake that everyone knows of and no one knows of. Those fish are from a confined area, they have been caught numerous times. They are large compared to what is found elsewhere due to their strain and natural occuring food. I have fished for these. Would do so again. Would pose proudly with them. It makes for a great time. I will not pretend I don't enjoy the pursuit of those big fish.

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One thing is that for people in the UK one way or another you have to pay to fish anywhere, be it a local club water or a dayticket water if you want to fish you youve little choice.The term paylake is a bit missused in regard to waters there, a lot of these are wild waters that have been around for years with whatever carp that happen to be in them, at the same time there are more 'managed' places.

Hypo eg: old farmer has a 3 acre pond on his land that has been there since the middle ages and he charges people a ticket price to fish there for whatevers in it.

Another farmer digs a 3 acre pond out and selects the fish that are stocked and feeds them up a bit so the customers get a better possible 'experience'

Neither of them are doing anything wrong at this point and the angler chooses where to fish, now when the second guy sets about purposely pumping up a fish with a view to it being a record there is some ethics to be questioned.

Many of the waters we fish are reservoirs, large and small, MANMADE, if you pay to camp at a designated site (because the other four hundred miles of bank is not legally accessible) Does this make it a paylake and is a large fish not a worthy capture because Joe and his mate threw a few boilies in each time they went. There are many blurry lines on this and every other aspect of fishing and life in general, people shouldn't generalise european puddles so easily.

As for the record, if it came from a decent size lake which makes the odds in the fishes favour good luck to the guy that catches it, but if its one of 2 fish in a 1/2 acre puddle and is fed to the point of dependency then any one catching it would have a serious head problem if they claimed the record.

Having a different tier record system based on the water in question would be an absolute minefield and toally unworkable so like it or not it is what it is and you can make your own decisions as to how worthy it is, but falling out with eachother over it is beyond me.

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Off topic perhaps, but I saw the Paylakes mentioned...

30 years ago, in the South East of England where I was born & raised, there were VERY few places you could fish for free - I am not certain but I would have a hard time remembering a free lake anywhere! The cost to fish a day back then was perhaps 1 pound / day (after you purchased your yearly rod license from the Post Office).

You would arrive at the lake at dawn, get your ticket for the day from the baliff, and off you went fishing. The funds from the "pay lake" would generally go towards the upkeep of the facilities. Until I moved here to the USA, and started fishing again a few months ago, I had just presumed the same was the case here - how happily wrong I was.

I purchased my Colorado state license for 2 rods. Now I fish everywhere and anywhere in the State that is _not_ private land. Most venues can be fished 24x7. I am in Carp fishing heaven somewhat at the freedom of choice and cost-free fishing provided here.

Yes, I appreciate the cost and "hype" of Paylakes over in Euro land has gone through the roof these past few decades as the sport of Carp fishing has become highly commercialised. With the huge $$$ involved it would be no surprise to find certain venues fattening up their carp to promote and attract more fishermen. Is this wrong, perhaps not from a financial point of view, is it "ethical" now that would be the question.

Having now caught carp in both the UK and USA I can testify that the common carp here are putting up one hell of a fight, way moreso than I recall from the fish caught long ago back home - of course, that could just be my fading memory !

Either way, congrats to the person on catching that 100lb monster fish - though it does remind me of Mr. Creosote from the Monty Python Film (Rated-18), "The Meaning of Life". A quick youtube search of this will show you a nice video of the scene in question! Perhaps that poor carp just needs one more "waffer thin mint" ...?

...tight lines...

John

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Off topic perhaps, but I saw the Paylakes mentioned...

30 years ago, in the South East of England where I was born & raised, there were VERY few places you could fish for free - I am not certain but I would have a hard time remembering a free lake anywhere! The cost to fish a day back then was perhaps 1 pound / day (after you purchased your yearly rod license from the Post Office).

You would arrive at the lake at dawn, get your ticket for the day from the baliff, and off you went fishing. The funds from the "pay lake" would generally go towards the upkeep of the facilities. Until I moved here to the USA, and started fishing again a few months ago, I had just presumed the same was the case here - how happily wrong I was.

I purchased my Colorado state license for 2 rods. Now I fish everywhere and anywhere in the State that is _not_ private land. Most venues can be fished 24x7. I am in Carp fishing heaven somewhat at the freedom of choice and cost-free fishing provided here.

Yes, I appreciate the cost and "hype" of Paylakes over in Euro land has gone through the roof these past few decades as the sport of Carp fishing has become highly commercialised. With the huge $$$ involved it would be no surprise to find certain venues fattening up their carp to promote and attract more fishermen. Is this wrong, perhaps not from a financial point of view, is it "ethical" now that would be the question.

Having now caught carp in both the UK and USA I can testify that the common carp here are putting up one hell of a fight, way moreso than I recall from the fish caught long ago back home - of course, that could just be my fading memory !

Either way, congrats to the person on catching that 100lb monster fish - though it does remind me of Mr. Creosote from the Monty Python Film (Rated-18), "The Meaning of Life". A quick youtube search of this will show you a nice video of the scene in question! Perhaps that poor carp just needs one more "waffer thin mint" ...?

...tight lines...

John

I like your honesty and unbiased opinion. :yes:

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The waters of North America are a pleasant suprise for alot of anglers from Europe who have never seen such easily accessable and percieved cheap access to great fishing. And on this forum alot of European transplants as well as business men in the fishing industry have many times told me they don't understand how people here take it for granted, and how great it would be to create lakes where fed fish could grow to be like their European counterparts. The reality is that as much as most Americans have just experienced the tip of the iceberg in reguards to European carp techniques, most visitors here have no idea how much time, effort, money and discussion have gone into protecting and maintaining the fisheries here......and how long ago these major efforts started. I bring this up only in that in the US and Canada the Fisheries departments and the DNR resources are use to maintain a natural balance to offer the most for the least amount of hands on oversight and maintenence......based on historys that go back over 120 years. These major efforts and directives came out of need after most of the US and Canadian waters had been decimated by pollution, over harvest, and agricultural damage to the watersheds. Started in many agricultural schools, ecology and consertvation studies these management techniques have been refined over these 120 years and lakes and rivers that where dead (or even on fire, Really!) now rival most places in the world for fishing. Also as early as 1918 the US fishing industry along with the US goverment established spending on clean up, restocking, public access to waterways and etc. The Wallup-Breaux Act established a excise tax of 10% of ALL fishing tackle, boat, motor, snow mobile, outdoor equipments, rods-reels and etc. gets paid by the manufacturer into a fund which is used for creating, maintaining and adding public access and maintaining the balance of our waterways This combined with state and province sales and income tax earmarked for fisheries, parks and wildlife funds, sports fishing and commercial liscences, boat registrations (not common amongst carp anglers, but the other 99.9% of Canadian and US anglers pay these not to mention donated funds, grants and trusts left to protect and maintain the level of access and quality of angling on this side of the big pond.

it has been by NO MEANS .....FREE!!! And didn't just start back in the 1970' when Carp fishing started to get popular in Europe.

If all I had access to was Day ticket venues....I'd go....I like to fish, but more important, I would NEVER want to see that happen here, and surely don't think the chance of an abnormally large carp is worth all the Frankenstien biology, the force feeding of one species of fish at the detriment to others and altering the enviroment as worth the effort,.....or risks.

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>>> European transplants

Dang, I almost feel like a carp organ donor! I hope that in time I might persuade some of my UK colleagues to come drop a line in the waters here when they next come over for a visit/work trip etc. Will be interesting to see what they think of the state of carp fishing here , vs. back home. My knowledge of the UK scene is "decades" out of date now.

John

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TBW Great post!

JohnFinney . We pretty much know the answer. They will love it.

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Big fish. If the guy who caught it felt it was worth the money then so be it.

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All carp are caught in paylakes/payrivers. What it costs depends on what you are expecting. Carp anglers are the cheapest anglers in the angling world. They are also the " freaks " of the angling world, not the carp. Do the carp suck before they blow, or blow before they suck?? What has that got to do with the price of eggs?? As relavent as where the world record was landed. What a bunch of washer women.

Kindest Regards

Tom.

ps once you use pack you'll never go back.

GUS

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Its nice too see it came from a big natural lake 229sq miles 9 miles wide and 48 miles long.

As far as the gentics goes, some eastern european fish farmers using a technice that produce fish with incredible growth rates but they are sterile.

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Its nice too see it came from a big natural lake 229sq miles 9 miles wide and 48 miles long.

As far as the gentics goes, some eastern european fish farmers using a technice that produce fish with incredible growth rates but they are sterile.

Please offer more than an opinion of these carp being " sterile ". Understand that I am a poor knuckle dragging tar Heel.

Tom.

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it's funny how most North Americans regard all European Fish as 'paylake' type waters. Euro Aqua is a 27 acre lake with some massive specimens in Hungary, Rainbow in France is nearly 100 acres, Orient and Madine are several hundred acres, hardly puddles. A triple figure carp has only been talked about since the scar fish in Graviers started hitting the early then 90's, personally I think it's mindblowing to think our quarry can reach this size. I think if I saw a carp that big I'd freak out, even 40's look massive to me!

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Yes the carp breeders deserve an aquaculture award for their accomplishments.

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