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Hello fellow carpers. We fished another scorcher this past sunday. Blue skies, sunny, and high humidity equal a tough session. My truck read 94 degrees for the event. The breeze we did have was very welcome relief. This venue is different from the first in that it is VERY weedy. If you can figure out the open lanes between the weed islands, there are awesome fish available. Those that figured it out did well. The day started slowly while the guys worked through their baits that would tempt the fish to bite. As the day went on more fish were brought to the net. Since I'm running the league this year and not fishing, I'm not going to miss out. I fished the day before when marking peg spacing. Fished 4 hours in an unpegged area so i didn't mess with the venue. 10 fish with 1 well over 20lbs.(no scale with me). Andy B. of Team Polonia figured out the BIG fish bite with a nice 26-5 for the big fish of the day. Fish totals slowly acculmulated until the final last hour push. There were 3 fish hooked in the last 5 minutes and Marcin also of Team Polonia yelled "fish on" with 1 minute left on the clock. Rules allow you a 15 minute extension to land the fish but it must not be touching the water when the extension expires . His and the league's last fish of the day almost caught Andy with a 25-12. In those last 5 minutes the lead changed among the sections and total weights for the day. Marcin finished with the highest total weight for the day at 161lbs. Thanks guys for dealing with another tough Chicago day. Next month we fish BIG water up north at the CCC venue. We fish a wide variety of water to really test one's carping ability. Here's a few pictures. see you next month. later

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Good job Tracy for running another great session, as always. :yourock: 2 section winners for the WCCT. Good job boyz.

:lol: Funny you should mention that. Had you not lost that fish in the tangled lines or lost that fish that pulled the rod in or lost the five fish to hookpulls, Will County Carp Team would still have 2 section winners on Sunday, but overall Windy City Carp League standings would have the WCCT in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd instead of 1st, 2nd, and 6th.

Will County Carp Team

First Place - 2011 Windy City Carp League - Chicago

First Place - 2010 Windy City Carp League - Chicago

First Place - 2012 Midwest Winter Carp League - Milwaukee

First Place - 2011 Midwest Winter Carp League - Milwaukee

First Place - Big Fish 2011 Midwest Winter League - Milwaukee

First Place - 2011 Hoosier Carpers Tournament Trail League - Indianapolis

First Place - 2011 J-Town Fall 40's Carp League - Joliet

First Place - 2010 J-Town Frozen 40's Carp League - Joliet

:lol: :P :D - Frank

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Seriously, though, the big haul may be over. There is always a chance for a monster at the lakefront, but last year's trends showed that catches at Montrose and Diversey were modest. These trends could easily change the leader board dramatically in a heartbeat. Three or four fish all day could easily mean 3 or 4 points in your section competition. We shall see. Best of luck to all. See you in three weeks unless, like me, you're headed to Indy for the White River event this coming Saturday. Thanks, as always, to Tracy for running an enjoyable league. Don't forget that peg draw will be at 6 AM in July but anglers need not be present if that hour is just too early.--Frank

League website: http://midwestcarp.com/wccl2012

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Since we are all going to be moreless closer together at montrose, il bring the grill and dogs if a few want them. Let me now.

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I'm in. Thanks, Larry!

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Thanks guys. Unlike Jackson Park Harbor, the montrose venue has lots of space. We will return to 3 rods. And yes, we will return to the double blind peg draw at 6am. I will be there to draw and will wait for ther 1st carper to show up and watch the draw. The 16 members names of the league will be placed on poker chips in one jar and 16 peg chips in a second jar. I will then draw 1 chip from each jar that will place a carper on their peg. So your peg will be waiting for you when you show up, see you hext month. later

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Thanks guys. Unlike Jackson Park Harbor, the montrose venue has lots of space. We will return to 3 rods. And yes, we will return to the double blind peg draw at 6am. I will be there to draw and will wait for ther 1st carper to show up and watch the draw. The 16 members names of the league will be placed on poker chips in one jar and 16 peg chips in a second jar. I will then draw 1 chip from each jar that will place a carper on their peg. So your peg will be waiting for you when you show up, see you hext month. later

Sounds great. Looking forward to a little distance between pegs and to the return to your draw system that gives more ample time for preparation. Thanks, Tracy. --Frank

2012 WCCL Website with latest pics from June 24 session!

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"Top 10" stats from the 2012 WCCL after two sessions (Rowing Lagoon and Jackson Harbor)

Overall leaders after 2 sessions (ties in points broken by average of best 10 fish)

First - Frank Rink - 8 points

Second - Mike Olinger - 8 points

Third - Andy Burnagiel - 7 points

Fourth - Bogdan Bucur - 7 points

Fifth - Marcin Szydlowski - 6 points

Sixth - Larry Seeman - 6 points

Seventh - Juan Serrano - 5 points

Eighth - Ed Montgomery - 5 points

Ninth - Darren Calver - 4 points

Tenth - Dan Ramir - 4 points

Best single day total weight

Marcin Szydlowski - 161-12 (6/24/12)

Mike Olinger - 142-12 (6/10/12)

Juan Serrano - 133-10 (6/10/12)

Larry Seeman - 133-8 (6/10/12)

Marcin Szydlowski - 131-5 (6/10/12)

Frank Rink - 113-8 (6/24/12)

Larry Seeman - 107-12 (6/24/12)

Darren Calver - 103-4 (6/10/12)

Frank Rink - 95-8 (6/10/12)

Mihai Aciu - 93-7 (6/10/12)

Best single day average weight

Istvan Gyori - 16-11 - 3 fish (6/10/12)

Frank Rink - 16-3 - 7 fish (6/24/12)

Andy Burnagiel - 16-2 - 2 fish (6/10/12)

Mihai Aciu - 15-9 - 6 fish (6/10/12)

Andy Burnagiel - 15-2 - 4 fish (6/24/12)

Dan Ramir - 14-14 - 2 fish (6/10/12)

Ed Montgomery - 14-14 - 1 fish (6/24/12)

Darren Calver - 14-12 - 7 fish (6/10/12)

Mike Olinger - 14-4 - 10 fish (6/10/12)

Bogdan Bucur - 14-2 - 3 fish (6/10/12)

Most carp caught in series

Marcin Szydlowski - 23

Larry Seeman - 19

Mike Olinger - 16

Frank Rink - 15

Paul Dinea - 12

Mihai Aciu - 10

Juan Serrano - 10

Darren Calver - 7

Andy Burnagiel - 6

Bogdan Bucur - 5

Total weight of all carp caught in series

Marcin Szydlowski - 293-1

Larry Seeman - 241-4

Mike Olinger - 216-4

Frank Rink 209-0

Mihai Aciu -147-10

Paul Dinea - 136-15

Juan Serrano - 133-10

Darren Calver - 103-4

Andy Burnagiel - 92-12

Bogdan Bucur - 68-5

Average weight of biggest 10 carp

Marcin Szydlowski - 16-14

Istvan Gyori - 16-11

Frank Rink - 15-15

Mike Olinger - 15-8

Larry Seeman - 15-8

Andy Burnagiel - 15-7

Mihai Aciu - 14-12

Darren Calver - 14-12

Bogdan Bucur - 13-11

Juan Serrano - 13-6

WCCL 2012 Big Fish

Mihai Aciu - 27-12

Andy Burnagiel - 26-5

Juan Serrano - 25-15

Marcin Szydlowski - 25-7

Istvan Gyori - 23-4

Andy Burnagiel - 22-14

Darren Calver - 22-8

Dan Ramir - 20-12

Bogdan Bucur - 20-12

Larry Seeman - 20-12

"Would be" leaders if based on 2011 criteria (top 3 fish at each venue)

Mihai Aciu - 104-13

Marcin Szydlowski - 103-6

Frank Rink - 100-10

Larry Seeman - 99-7

Mike Olinger - 94-13

Andy Burnagiel - 82-13

Paul Dinea - 77-1

Bogdan Bucur - 68-5

Juan Serrano - 61-1

Darren Calver - 54-13

Times an angler won big fish pot

Mihai Aciu - 1

Andy Burnagiel - 1

Times an angler won high or 2nd high total weight pot

Mike Olinger - 1

Juan Serrano - 1

Marcin Szydlowski - 1

Frank Rink - 1

Click here for 2012 WCCL Website

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Possible tweak for the future: Tiebreakers determined by total weight of top 10 fish. If everyone has at least 10 fish, total weight of top 10 and average weight of top 10 keep anglers exactly in the same order. However, there are still anglers with less than 10 total fish, so their placement in the standings (based on tiebreakers) can be a bit misleading. Total weight of top 10 would address that issue.

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just my gorilla math but doesn't it work out to be about the same? average x 10= total of the top 10? Same difference? I suppose it would easier since you eliminate the extra math.

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just my gorilla math but doesn't it work out to be about the same? average x 10= total of the top 10? Same difference? I suppose it would easier since you eliminate the extra math.

Tracy-- You are exactly right. However, it becomes an issue if someone ends up with less than 10 fish, as is a possibility this year. For example, currently somebody with 2 fish weighing a total of 30 pounds (15 pound average) wins a tiebreaker with someone who has 10 fish weighing 140 pounds (14 pound average). Doesn't seem right.--Frank

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I suppose one way to figure the average would be to divide the top 10 weights (or fewer if an angler doesn't have 10 on the board) by 10. Then the anglers above would have an average of 3 pounds (for the two fish weighing 30) and 14 pounds (for the 10 weighing 140).

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just my gorilla math but doesn't it work out to be about the same? average x 10= total of the top 10? Same difference? I suppose it would easier since you eliminate the extra math.

Tracy--Yes, you eliminate the extra math step by just taking total weight of your top ten, and you also eliminate the angst caused early in the series when some guys figure that fewer fish might get them a higher place in the standings based on tiebreakers. I've mentioned before that it will be doubtful that someone could finish in the "money" with less than 10 fish, but the remaining three venues often yield just a few fish, and nine of our 16 participants have fewer than 10 fish on the board. It's not a huge deal, but eliminating that division step keeps it simpler while maintaining your original idea.

Here is how the “tiebreaker” currently differs if you use total weight of an angler’s top ten fish as compared to average weight of his top 10. The differences occur because 9 of 16 anglers don’t have 10 fish on the board:

Average weight of biggest 10 carp (9 anglers have fewer than 10)

Marcin Szydlowski - 16-14

Istvan Gyori - 16-11

Frank Rink - 15-15

Mike Olinger - 15-8

Larry Seeman - 15-8

Andy Burnagiel - 15-7

Mihai Aciu - 14-12

Darren Calver - 14-12

Bogdan Bucur - 13-11

Juan Serrano - 13-6

Dan Ramir – 12-15

Paul Dinea – 12-1

Ioan Iacob – 11-14

Adam Charns – 11-0

Ed Montgomery – 10-15

Paul Wells - 0

Total weight of biggest 10 carp (9 anglers have fewer than 10)

Marcin Szydlowski – 168-13

Frank Rink – 159-4

Mike Olinger – 154-11

Larry Seeman – 154-11

Mihai Aciu – 147-10

Juan Serrano – 133-10

Paul Dinea – 120-9

Darren Calver – 103-4

Andy Burnagiel – 92-12

Bogdan Bucur – 68-5

Istvan Gyori – 50-2

Ed Montgomery – 43-10

Dan Ramir – 38-14

Ioan Iacob – 35-9

Adam Charns – 11-0

Paul Wells - 0

Interestingly, the way the standings currently exist, both of the above-mentioned lists would have anglers in the exact same order in overall standings, because points determine placement and top 10 weights are only tiebreakers. So, this summary may just be an exercise in arithmetic on a hot afternoon in the 100's. On the other hand, we had anglers, early on, thinking they could have improved their standing if they caught fewer fish or thinking there was a loophole in the system. Total weight of top 10 as a tiebreaker would simply make it easier to understand for all of us.--Frank

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To be honest, I would hope that everyone catches 10 fish for the year. Sure would hate for someone not make it. It'll work out. My fingers are crossed as I write this. lol.later

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To be honest, I would hope that everyone catches 10 fish for the year. Sure would hate for someone not make it. It'll work out. My fingers are crossed as I write this. lol.later

I hope so, too. Then the tiebreaker remains exactly the same if you use average of top ten or total of top ten.

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I also hope you are right, Larry. However, last year at Montrose, corresponding weekend, a total of 18 fish were caught over two days averaging just over 11 pounds (and I recall that you caught over half of them at the dead dad's ashes swim). I don't want to scare anyone away, but the haulfests may be behind us. The lakefront venues, especially in mid to late summer, are always more challenging.

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I do agree that the haulfest is behind us. Just remember I had the horseshoe stuck up there last year. :o

Just a reminder to everyone, last year a younger Spainsh man dove into the water and scrapped his face on the bottom of the lake. "Ohhh I hit the basement" lol :icon_smoking: :icon_smoking:

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