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For starters, I'll admit I'm probably going against the grain with this post lol. I wanted to ask you guys why do alot of people believe that circle hooks are not applicable in our pursuit for Carp? I understand that certain rigs ( hair rig) are naturally going to be more successful due to the way it acts upon the carps' feeding habits.However, I have had great success using a simple running rig consisting of a Fox feeder lead, a split shot and a size 1 Gamakatsu Octopus Circle Hook ( I know...primitive). I can't tell you how many times I've had blistering takes occur using this. Granted, this isnt exactly long range stuff we're talking about but from about 60 yards in it works a treat. I use 30 lb. Power Pro and I keep the baitrunner drag at about a quarter of the way on (just enough resistance to sink the hook in). Am I doing something differently or have I just been getting lucky all these years? Let's hear what you guys think...

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Honestly the confidence you have in the rig plays a big factor in your effectiveness. I would never think of using a circle hook but that's just me, I have no confidence in them while fishing for carp, the major set back for me is the fact that a circle hook effects the ability to fish paylake baits and pickups as easily as I can with a standard "J" style hook. I however can't begin to guess if it would work as well on large carp because I firmly believe that they feed and mouth baits differently. Different strokes for different folks, if it works, KEEP DOING IT.

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If it works for you then keep using it! It's always good to have a variety of approaches to angling. A big, big mistake that there's a right/wromg way of doing it. Do what works for you and ignore those they say it's "the wrong way".

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I know quite a few anglers here in CO that use circle hooks, for their carp & cat fishing - they are as passionate an advocate for them as others are for more specialist carp hooks - they seem to catch just as many fish. If you have been doing it that way for years, and have a good ratio of hook ups to landed fish, who can say you're doing it wrong... :swimminfish:

Tight-Lines and look forwards to seeing some pics of your carpy captures!

John

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I've used octopus hooks when I used to put corn right on the hook. I have no idea why folks would think they wouldn't work??? They are proven to be an exceptional hook for all types of fish.

I only stopped using them when I went to fake corn on a hair. But I use exclusively those hump back curved hooks. I find the curved hooks give me better hook sets.

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I spent all last week fishing for catfish using boilies on a hair rig on circle hooks. works great. circle hooks work just fine for carp, too. So do regular hooks. Maybe hook up a few more with carp specific hooks, but if there is any difference I sure can't tell.

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I found a nice little compromise to the two methods: Why not use a hair rig with a circle hook? That's what I've done, and landed many, many carp and catfish on it.

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Interesting thread here.  I was in our local Cabela's store a while back trying to decide what to buy with my gift card.  I did notice circle hooks and wondered about their application for carping.  Thanks to all for your input.  Meshuggah, if it works, don't fix it. 

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I use Circle hooks, but they aren't the Offset Octopus style. They are the in-line type. I have found that they have an incredible hold once the hook is imbedded in the fish's mouth. Make sure to pinch down the barb, as unhooking becomes MUCH easier. It doesn't need to be there to keep the fish pinned anyway. A tip I picked up is to use hooks with a straight eye, not up or down turned, and bring the line in on the hook side. It helps the hook turn into the fish's mouth easier.

I am going to get some from Bass Pro Shops online since no one around here carries them in any size smaller than 3/0. Diachi makes some in #1 and 1/0 that should work. They are Red Wide Gap Saltwater hooks, but I bury them in a paste bait, so the color means nothing.

I am still learning the best way to get hook-ups with them though. That's why I want to try some smaller ones. No problem at all getting bites with the J-hooks, but they sure seem to get snagged alot more often.

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As a newbie carp angler, I looked at numerous posts after I caught my "first" carp in June of this year. That carp was hooked on one of the eagle claw gold aberdeen straight shanked hooks and had a heck of a time removing it as it was deep......I saw a post on the circle hooks catching just the lip, tried some and have used only the circle or octopus circle hook ever since with only "lip" hook-ups-I'm a believer!!....I have had several hook pulls and lost fish, but less so than naught.........also caught numerous channel cats and several grass carp as well- all in the lip too.....I was so dedicated to them, I tied them to my first hair rigs, but, haven't caught carp on the hair rig yet, and tied straight-shanked hooks now to them too......just learning..........what a great site!

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I've been using circle hooks for carp fishing for probably at least ten years now.  I've used them with sweet corn right on the hook and with hair rigs threaded with sweet corn, field corn, artificial corn, and boilies.  I've almost always used Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks, e.g.,

https://www.amazon.com/Gamakatsu-Circle-Offset-Octopus-Hook-Pack/dp/B005K0LTAK/

I get occasional hook pulls, but not very often.  If I'm getting hook pulls, it's usually because I'm using a smaller size than I should for the fish I am catching.  I like the above in size 2 for larger carp, and size 4 for 12 pounds and under.  Every hook is set perfectly in the corner of the mouth, making hook removal in the net easy before I even bring the fish out of the water.  I've never had a hook set anywhere other than the corner of the mouth or the lower lip.

They are also good for when I get a run and it takes me a little while to get to the rods.  I don't have to "set" the hook with these hooks, they are already in place just by the bolt rig or the resistance of the reel drag.

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On 10/6/2016 at 1:32 PM, Colin Mitchell said:

I've been using circle hooks for carp fishing for probably at least ten years now.  I've used them with sweet corn right on the hook and with hair rigs threaded with sweet corn, field corn, artificial corn, and boilies.  I've almost always used Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks, e.g.,

https://www.amazon.com/Gamakatsu-Circle-Offset-Octopus-Hook-Pack/dp/B005K0LTAK/

I get occasional hook pulls, but not very often.  If I'm getting hook pulls, it's usually because I'm using a smaller size than I should for the fish I am catching.  I like the above in size 2 for larger carp, and size 4 for 12 pounds and under.  Every hook is set perfectly in the corner of the mouth, making hook removal in the net easy before I even bring the fish out of the water.  I've never had a hook set anywhere other than the corner of the mouth or the lower lip.

They are also good for when I get a run and it takes me a little while to get to the rods.  I don't have to "set" the hook with these hooks, they are already in place just by the bolt rig or the resistance of the reel drag.

Would you say your catch rate went up with the circle hooks?  I am still trying to decide between carp curve shank, the chod/octopus i have now, and getting small circle hooks.

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I use Gamakatsu Octopus Circle hooks all the time when Channel Cat fishing. And each year, I'll accidentally catch a good number of carp and suckers while I'm targeting the Catfish. Im normally using a 3/0 Gama when I do.

This still hasn't convinced me to start using circle hooks for carp fishing. I just have more confidence in the rigs Im using now for carp, to even think of changing.

This year I may set up two rods with my classic carp rigs, then setup a 3rd rod with a circle hook. It wouldn't hurt. I can just see what happens. 

My guess though is, that a circle hook wouldnt be able to consistnently hook as many carp as a classic carp rig. But that's just me guessing.?

 

 

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My feeling is that a circle hook relies on the fish moving with the bait to help turn the hook so it can catch the lip. With a carps "suck and blow" feeding habits, I think a circle hook would be at a disadvantage. A hair rig with traditional hook or even a simple j hook with bait directly on the hook would have a better chance to snag the lip on the "blow" if the carp is stationary while feeding.

If someone has the confidence in using circle hooks for carp, then that's what they should use. I use them exclusively when fishing for catfish. But for carp, in my opinion, my confidence is in a traditional hair rig setup or puff on a j hook.

 

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If a carp is more or less stationary and cautiously sucking/blowing or slowly working one spot...I think the hair rig arrangement may work better. If the carp is more an eat-n-run or aggressive feeder and on the move I think the circle hook may come into it's own here. That's not to say that the hair rig will not, just that with the fish being on-the-move the hook has the chance of grabbing the corner of the mouth and lip. There is no "proper" way to do it; folks been carp fishing here long before the hair rig came to these shores. If a circle works for you, great. If a hair rig works, great. If you get 2 new people start carp fishing regardless of the hook, that's the best.

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Hi everyone,

this is a great topic. I feel that everyone should use what they are comfortable with. 

the hook, hook size and how you tie it depends a lot on what you use on the hair.

small hooks for corn size 8 or 10

size 6 to boilies and pop ups.

i don't use bigger than that and I fish with pop ups 90% of my casts. 

I have an example of my set up attached. 

Just try to use hooks with small barbs for carp safety. 

Tight lines 

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Great posts guys! I was looking for a thank or like button but didn't see one.

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3/17/19

I've used ONLY in-line (non-offset barb) circle hooks for carp for the last 10 years! I use them in size 1/0:

   (1) Eagle Claw Octopus in-line circle Model L7228 Lazer Sharp ("Tournament Approved")or

   (2) Gamakatsu Octopus in-line Circle Model 221311 - red.

I went to these because about 10 years or so ago there was talk about the NYS DEC requiring use of in-line circle hooks for all species to protect the striped bass in the Hudson River (NY) where I fish.

I panicked - did some research (Cabelas) - and found the Eagle Claws - advertised as "Wide Gap" - bought them -- and never looked back. Added the Gamakatsus a few years later. Both of these hooks are super-sharp - real razor blades. If a channel catfish or carp just nudges the bait it's hooked -- just take your time, pick up the rod and start reeling - absolutely unnecessary to "set" the hook.  

I realize what I've just said and do may sound way-out to some - and maybe in heavily fished waters like UK there may be a problem. In the Hudson, though, I just load the hook with a few corn kernels -- No Hair Rigs - a small piece of fresh bread squeezed flat. I use an old-style fish-finder rig - snell the hooks on a 9 inch piece of mono topped off with a barrel swivel - and run the mainline (mono) through a 3 or 4 oz flat ("No Roll") sinker. I'm sure an egg sinker will work as well.

1/0 too big? -- that was my first concern - but I've caught 1 lb goldfish on this size!

My review ("Carpshark") of the Eagle Claws is posted on Cabelas -- also posted there is a review of a striper fisherman ("Krizo")who praises them -- Krizo uses larger size while drifting live herring baits for Hudson stripers. 

 

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Have never needed to use circle hooks but cant see why they would not work, especially on low pressured fish........ fish that have been caught a few times might be a different story though!

ATB Carpsava

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