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1 hour ago, streeker02 said:

listen for your baitrunner singing :)

Yup, that is exactly what I tend to do when I fish alone. I switch my alarms off, and just wait for the baitrunners to start clicking. This works great with Shimanos.

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I just look at the tip of the rods lol or hear the reel scream as the carp peels drag.  If for some reason i dont have indicators i tie a piece of grass to my line after the tip of my rod. Also some of your bait make a small ball and stick it to your line between your reel and the closest eye to it 

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I started off by putting some slack in the line and hanging a piece of tin foil from it, but switched to a fluorescent pink post-it note. You can see that thing move from the parking lot, and it weighs next to nothing on the line.

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Lots of good ideas.  Or.......when your rod goes skiing across the bank and disappears into the depths at your venue.  That is always a good sign that you had a bite.

Had a friend lose a rod and reel when fishing for catfish.  First time he used it.  Father's Day present from his two sons. :(

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1 minute ago, Cannonball said:

Lots of good ideas.  Or.......when your rod goes skiing across the bank and disappears into the depths at your venue.  That is always a good sign that you had a bite.

Had a friend lose a rod and reel when fishing for catfish.  First time he used it.  Father's Day present from his two sons. :(

Never good. That sucks.

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I'm currently in the beginning phase of my carp fishing. I'm planning on picking up a couple 7 foot ugly stiks and using a simple Carolina rig with a hair rig on the hook.

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29 minutes ago, The Big Worm said:

Regular Spinning Reel, Bait Runner or Bait Caster reel..?

Not sure. The combo is $40 but that comes with a regular spinning reel. I like the bait runner reels and they're not too pricey. 

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If your using a standard spinning reel and a hair rig (carp rig with a tail string you put your bait on) ) you might be advised that after your cast and tightening up the line, you may want to loosen your drag so the fish can run.....but not so loose that the spool over spins and back lashes if the fish stops....nor do you want it so tight that the fish can drag your rod in. You'll still need to keep a line on it...

If your rod holder is a straight up type a bell would be best....but it is not a very efficient angle to detect subtle bites.

If you rod sits horizontal...or with the tip aimed at where the bait is in the water..with the line tight, a bobbin type indicatur would show activity...a large paper clip with a  small plastic bobber attached to.the end with the points....the double round end would then be slid unto the line from the bottom up about half way between the reel and first guide. This will create a bow in the line (best if the bail bearing is up so the line is straight)  The sag in the line will get larger is the fish comes towards you and will tighten or become straight when the fish bites. It will take a little practice to know when to set the hook, but looking sideways at the horizontal rod with the bobbin it will be easier to detect bites and determine when to set the hook if your putting bait directly on the hook. In the case of a hair rig..let the fish hook itself and run.the first couple times,  it will give you more confidence in the system...and in letting the rig do its job

RECAP (HORIZONTAL ROD)

Cast your bait.

Tighten the line gently while setting in the holders Align the bail bearing to the top, and loosen the drag.

Slide the bobbin on, pullout a little extra line if you need to, or tighten by turning spool by hand to get desired bow in line (careful of braid..if you get a fish while doing this you could cut your fingers)

☆☆☆Best to have 2'-3'piece of line tied to the bobbin and staked to the ground or rod holder so when you pick up the rod to set the hook as you lift that line and stake pulls the paperclip bobbin off before you set the hook, and to keep from loosing it ☆☆☆

Now remember, you have a loose drag so when you set the hook, cup and hold the spool so you get a positive set (or you will birdsnest) then tighten the drag as the fish is running and the rod has tension on him.

A bait runner, or bait caster with the clicker mechanism both work easier than this....but you don't need it till you know you need it, when your catching fish and asking is there an easier way...then we'll talk. The tackle tarts will be all over telling you how to spend money. An Okuma ABF-30b or ABF- 40b depending on your rod weight , or a Diawa Regal 3500 Bite n' Run would be good choices for a 7' medium heavy UglyStick..

And if you get into.this more and go big bucks it'll be a good Channel Cat combo or Ditch Carp Rod.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Big Worm said:

If your using a standard spinning reel and a hair rig (carp rig with a tail string you put your bait on) ) you might be advised that after your cast and tightening up the line, you may want to loosen your drag so the fish can run.....but not so loose that the spool over spins and back lashes if the fish stops....nor do you want it so tight that the fish can drag your rod in. You'll still need to keep a line on it...

If your rod holder is a straight up type a bell would be best....but it is not a very efficient angle to detect subtle bites.

If you rod sits horizontal...or with the tip aimed at where the bait is in the water..with the line tight, a bobbin type indicatur would show activity...a large paper clip with a  small plastic bobber attached to.the end with the points....the double round end would then be slid unto the line from the bottom up about half way between the reel and first guide. This will create a bow in the line (best if the bail bearing is up so the line is straight)  The sag in the line will get larger is the fish comes towards you and will tighten or become straight when the fish bites. It will take a little practice to know when to set the hook, but looking sideways at the horizontal rod with the bobbin it will be easier to detect bites and determine when to set the hook if your putting bait directly on the hook. In the case of a hair rig..let the fish hook itself and run.the first couple times,  it will give you more confidence in the system...and in letting the rig do its job

RECAP (HORIZONTAL ROD)

Cast your bait.

Tighten the line gently while setting in the holders Align the bail bearing to the top, and loosen the drag.

Slide the bobbin on, pullout a little extra line if you need to, or tighten by turning spool by hand to get desired bow in line (careful of braid..if you get a fish while doing this you could cut your fingers)

☆☆☆Best to have 2'-3'piece of line tied to the bobbin and stacked to the ground or rod holder so when you pick up the rod to set the hook as you lift that line and stake pulls the paperclip bobbin off before you set the hook, and to keep from loosing it☆☆☆

Now remember, you have a loose drag so when you set the hook, cup and hold the spool so you get a positive set (or you will birdsnest) then tighten the drag as the fish is running and the rod has tension on him.

A bait runner, or bait caster with the clicker mechanism both work easier than this....but you don't need it till you know you need it, when your catching fish and asking is there an easier way...then we'll talk. The tackle tarts will be all over telling you how to spend money. An Okuma ABF-30b or ABF- 40b depending on your rod weight , or a Diawa Regal 3500 Bite n' Run would be good choices for a 7' medium heavy UglyStick..

And if you get into.this more and go big bucks it'll be a good Channel Cat combo or Ditch Carp Rod.

 

Thanks for the help

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Well, the best way I found back in the day was to be patient and watch the line. Yes, this may seem like a daunting task, but I assure you, you will learn so much by doing this. When I started fishing for Carp exclusively I was 13 years old. Having a job on a farm bailing hay and shoveling s*** didn't yield much money, so I was forced to make due with what I had. I would go out to nearby creeks and rivers with my Ugly Stik and spinning reel, find a decent sized rock or cinder block to prop the rod on (resting it on the guide) cast out my simple slip rig and wait. I had no clue what a baitrunner was, so I would leave just enough slack in the line to witness the action beneath the surface. When the line began to move, I would slowly pick up the rod and lay the line in the crease of my index finger. It got to the point that I could almost tell exactly what the fish was doing with the bait. It also allowed for some very exciting moments, such as jumping into a river to retrieve my pole after a Carp made a screaming run with it! This is exactly why you want a baitrunner reel for Carp fishing. If you do choose to try this, please, wear polarized glasses. I did this for many years without and would come home with eyes so red you could've sworn I was doing something other than fishing:lol:.

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Idea!  Cut a rubber band and tie it on the rod between the reel and first guide.  Stretch it and then pull a small loop of line through it and let the rubber band hold the loop in place.  When you get a run, the loop will be pulled through and give you time to set the hook on a new PB!  You don't want too much line that might get around the guide.

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I use these on bank sticks

 

https://www.bigcarptackle.com/bite-indication/bite-alarms/alarms/ngt-3pc-transmitter-wireless-alarm-set-black-7530

 

with these bobbins

https://www.bigcarptackle.com/bite-indication/bite-indicators/hangers-clips/ngt-3-piece-chain-indicator-set-original

 

Here is a pic of my set up....(I am a terrible photographer)....

 

a 10'-0, 3# test curve, a 12'-0, 3# test curve and a 13'-0 3.5# test curve.  All have Penn SSV 6500LL and 50# spiderwire Camo braid.  I use a a weird leader system consisting of 40# Berkley vanish the sinker slides on and a 15# fluorcarbon hooklink or a 40# braided hooklink.  It's complicated.

My spod rod is leaning on the tackle bag and is a 12'-0 5.5# test curve and has a Penn SSV 7500 LC with 80# spiderwire.

 

The best bite indicator I have is the bobbins....sometimes I don't even use the alarms.....you can use a lot of different things to serve the purpose of a bobbin....

 

carp kit.jpg

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