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Took a bit searching, but found a couple pics of Phone on the original CAG website(that was once maintained by the infamous Oatmeal Jack) from 2002 here:
Phonebush & Phonebush with grandson Brandt
http://www.geocities.ws/cyprioman/Fishins/OK2002/OK2002.htm
I was fortunate enough to meet Bill on a couple different occasions, and he was quite the character(online and in person) that will be missed.
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Cool clip. Good ole American carpin'...... I joined CARPS for a short time to fish one of their derbies as part of a CAG weekend in OH back in the early days of the CAG.
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17 hours ago, clay516 said:
Couple more photos
W. PA carp king.......Congrats again.
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Fishin' Ain't So Bad.
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On 3/8/2019 at 6:22 AM, michaelpthompson said:
Just got my new member welcome packet, and thanks! I've been reading the article "Cyprinus Carpio" by Bob Williamson. Very informative and enlightening.
On page 6, Williamson comments on carp physiology, mentioning Y bones, "Commercial processors and anglers who want to fry the filets usually make a series of perpendicular cuts across the filet. When done properly, the bones are dissolved by the hot grease allowing the fish to be eaten bones and all."
He also mentions red muscle mass, saying it can have a stronger taste due to the higher fat content in this tissue.
Now I've seen lots of different YouTube videos about cleaning and cooking carp. Some of them seem to result in very little meat because all the Y bones and red meat are cut away. Some even avoid the rib cage entirely, saying there's not enough meat there to bother with. So I have a couple of questions.
First, what experiences to people have with red meat and Y bones? Do you get rid of them, eat them, or some other alternative?
Secondly, can anyone recommend a video, or at least a photo showing the perpendicular cuts mentioned by Williamson? I'm not sure what kind of frying he is talking about, or whether other cooking methods (smoking, grilling, etc.) would produce similar results.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
Michael
Really don't know much about preparing carp to eat except this: Nail the carp to a board of your choice, hold both over fire & cook 'til done, remove carp and eat board.....if I had a dollar for every time I told that jok.........um recipe...............
I've posted these on here in the past before , but since the subject came up:
I came across one of these episodes years ago while TV channel surfing. Now they're on youtube for your viewing pleasure.
A carp contest of sorts................
They waste no part of the carp...........................enjoy.
Oh and one last one, saved the best for last, LOL:
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13 hours ago, CarperN@ said:
W0W---- just noted your post was 2015, it was a long trip, going to sleep now.
LOL. So I see you're still carpin' n@..........3 years later......................
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We had some CAG events in the past at Shawnee and we usually did pretty well, as ya can see in the old thread I tried to copy and paste below, since it was in the members only section. I ain't fished Shawnee in years, so don't know what the carp scene is like there now, but you should be able to catch if ya put in the time and effort.
Another place ya might wanna check out is Twin Lakes in Greensburg/Latrobe-----some of us local carpers have done well there in the past. Lake Somerset may be another option if it is still even fishable.
Here is a PA forum that should also be of assistance for info. on local waters: https://forums.fishusa.com/Forums
There is plenty of info. out there, just have to do the research and it should pay off..............
will there be people overnighting it ? i may come by saturday night to fish and then fish into sunday .I'd imagine they'll be a few overnighting it. I usually fish straight through, but will probably check out the music festival going on and probably won't get back to fishing until after midnight.
Steve.
I sure wish I were a bit closer to you guys. Nice fish and a great looking spot.
I didn't see any pictures of Mark with his fish???
Any chances you making the DC event this next weekend??
Tom.
breaking the rules at shawnee
fish on
a nice shawnee mirror carp in the firm grip of steve lojack
Hi Mark (Blue Cross Blue Shield-------bad joke, never mind),
Thanks for posting the pics and comin' to the fish-in. I didn't bother takin' any pics that weekend myself or I might of got around to posting some...............eventually.
As for the pics, Tim don't know he's breakin' the rules, he can't read
. He did end up catching the most carp that weekend, 40 or so, guesstimate--he can't count either (especially once he gets above 20 (fingers and toes), or should that be 21 )
Jeremy (in the yellow shirt, so much for being stealth) caught the second most carp that weekend, 35 or so, including three mirror carp. I (that's Lojek) caught the third most, at 20 carp, including one mirror. And Joe, the local CAGer who put us on this quality carp lake, caught 15 carp, including the only 20 lbers, a 20 and a PB 24, plus a mirror. Thanks again to Joe G. for pre-baiting the area for us.
I figured about 15 in total fished Labor Day weekend with us, including us 5 CAGers, with quite a few others stopping by to check things out. Oh, and there was a bowfisherman out too----he was nice enough to stop by and come talk to us when he was done to let us know he did stick one 36 incher. A guesstimated 130 carp (not counting the arrow-stuck one) at well over a 1000 lbs. total weight were caught that weekend, including 6 mirrors which up until that weekend, Joe had never seen a mirror caught from Shawnee. The majority of caught carp were in the 12-19 lb. range. The most notable thing about the carp was how underweight they were for their length. Some carp were as long as 36-37 in., but weighed under 20 lbs.
I don't know if this will work but here's a link to some other pics that Joe took from that weekend:
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1452544
I've included a couple of other pics as well. One of a local kid that got-r-done catching a nice mirror. This mirror is known as the bloody (literally) mirror. And the other one is of Tim and Jeremy (what a couple of posers) and Sam (in the middle) ignoring the rules again.
Thanks for the bag of giant corn as well Mark. Caught my first carp on the stuff at our Wilhelm fish-in here this month---will post some pics from that event on the Wilhelm thread when the roll of film is finished.......................eventually.
Steve.I sure wish I were a bit closer to you guys. Nice fish and a great looking spot.
I didn't see any pictures of Mark with his fish???
Any chances you making the DC event this next weekend??
Tom.
Tom,
Mark caught a few fish from what I remember, how many did ya catch Mark? I think there may have been a pic or two of Mark taken, but not sure.
No I wasn't planning on the DC event. I was at the DC fish-in back in '99 and 2001---been there done that twice and got the pics to prove it.
Don't really have any plans to do DC again, driving around DC sucks.
A few us were having a little discussion on the SPMB here: http://southernpaylaker.com/view_topic.php?id=605&forum_id=4 about having another paylake get-together next year, so we'll see what happens.
I'm sure we'll get to fish together one of these days.
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Your name: Steve Lojek
Your CAG forum name: pacarper
Your state or province of residence: PA
The state or province of your FFF 2016 fishing venue, if it differs from your residence: W. PA
Junior (17 or under as of 1/1/16)?: no -
it was a great show indeed. BTW, Doug taped a show, or was in the process of taping a show, with the late Richard Sommervlle, around the time he was diagnosed with cancer. Wonder if it ever aired? Carp n Buffalo in Texas.
Yep it aired, I caught a re-run of it a few months back. At the end of the segment there was a note about Richard's passing. It looks like the segment was at the end of episode 6 of the 2014 season last year, but they don't show the entire show on the In-fisherman website, just one segment of the episode and they don't have the buffalo segment there. But ya can see a short clip from the segment (as well as a carp clip) here in this segment from a later episode around the 4 min. mark:
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All ya gotta do is use the forum search tool..............................
Check out this old thread for Nightwing's (Paul W.) carp weight formula, of which many think it's pretty accurate for a formula:
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It reminds me of Steve L. and his potato gun back around 2000 for shooting out chum balls. LOL...and it worked great, propellent was hair spray. Here's a more complex one, still using PVC tubing.
Aahh, ya mean the Chumzooka, Bob.
There's a blast form the past, literally(and yes, works well as an AWW(Anti-Watercraft Weapon)too)
. We had some fun with it back during our early carpin' outings back when Paul B. was OH Chair.
I think the one in the pic below got sold to Shears on our trip down to NC-------what da hell does a paylaker need a chumzooka for?
Decked out with a scope, laser pointer, can holder, spray valve, and air-cooled barrel.
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As if the fact that they take a natural resource from public waters to make money and run gambling wasn't bad enough already.
As an angler who respects the common carp as being a true sport fish, I'm always sorry to see the condition of the fish that massive over stocking causes at these places too.
Wish they were all shut down!
Yea well, there's plenty of businesses that utilize natural resources to make a living-----nothing wrong with that, it's business, just the way it is.
There probably isn't a bigger group out there in the states that have been practicing the sport of rippin' carp longer (many decades now) than the paylake carpers (north or south).
Wish away, but I highly doubt the carp paylakes are gonna be shutdown anytime soon.
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Great to see that PaCarper is still around
.... we gotta hit the bank together somewhere this year Steve.Hey Bob,
Sounds like a plan-------it's been awhile.
I was workin' over in OH last year in Aurora and thought about checking to see if any of the OH events were close by there, but never got around to it.
I see you got conned into being state chair again. Some of the local carpers here in W. PA have been trying to con me into being chair again on this side of the state, but so far I haven't relented.
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Thank you for bringing that up Steve. This is the raw germ I believe as the toasted is a little more coarse than this and smells slightly different. That is one of the reasons I refrigerate it so the molasses stiffens to lock it up some but once it warms up in the water it still flakes. If you overpack it also it does lock up regardless so I usually test in near the edge of the water to check the squeezes.
Yea the toasted stuff is more dry and has a bit more crunch I guess than the raw stuff and has a nutty smell/flavor to it. These properties are probably why the PA paylakers chose to use the toasted version in their baits, plus it being less likely to lock up than raw germ. This was one of the original PA pack/flake baits and because of the increasing price of germ, other less pricy alternative ingredients became more prominent in baits over the years, leading to different packs being more popular now. I don't know if these newer baits are as nutritious as the wheat germ baits tho, but then again they're only fish.............so cheaper baits that catch just as well, trump nutrition.
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I have not tried it but judging from using condensed milk in the past I think it will work but you won't get as stiff of a mix. The molasses once cooled really turns into a rock. I will have to try and let you know the results.
Actually I've seen a recipe from Herk that used both milk and molasses combined to make black bait, so.........................
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I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but wheat germ (wg) is usually available in two forms, raw or toasted (like this:http://www.kretschmer.com/about-wheatgerm ). Most bait recipes you come across, usually don't specify which type to use, but from my experience, the toasted wheat germ (more expensive than raw) is what should be used to make this black pack. The raw wg binds much more and if used, ya likely won't end up with a bait that breaks/flakes very well at all.
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LOL !!!
I've reserved a "special spot in my heart" for them. I just didn't mention that in my post.
After all, EVERY carp I've ever caught over 25 pounds has been on a doughball of some description.
Even today, I have been known to pull some doughballs out of my bag of tricks now and then, and I'll occasionally still catch on them.
Same here.
Old cornmeal doughball (or old yella, as we call it at the PA paylakes) has always been my favorite (probably a better word than "best") prepared carp bait, primarily because it's the first main carp bait I can remember using and catching with all those years back as a youngster. I still usually try and have old yella in my bait bucket, along with too many other baits when I go carpin'.
All the multitude of prepared baits (not to mention live/natural baits and artificials) us carpers throw at carp are typically made from the same base grains/ingredients, but in different forms and with different methods of preparation(homemade or commercial), leading to different kinds of presentation. The one that ends up being "best" is gonna vary with any given situation, as ya mentioned.
As for the boilies, well they are just doughballs of some sort before being boiled/steamed, so.........................
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Getting back to the original question of the "best bait"... I've been fishing for more than 60 years, 50 of which I've fished for carp.
As many have already stated, there is NO "best bait" that covers all conditions. Personally, I've caught carp on worms, canned corn (flavored and unflavored), canned peas, canned hominy, sweet corn that I cut directly off the cob, maize (dry, soaked, boiled and soaked, and both flavored and unflavored), and even on ripe mulberries. I've caught them on home made (and cooked) dough balls, dough bait made simply by kneading a handful of oatmeal that I soaked in lake water, and on home made boilies (I've never used commercial boilies). I've also caught carp on corn puffs, Fruit Loops, and on other breakfast cereals. I've successfully used many of these both alone, and with method, with pack bait, or using PVA bags or stringers.
I caught all my biggest carp many years ago on very large dough balls (50-60 mm). But I caught them at a time when I lived less than an hour from a section of the Potomac River known for its big carp. I certainly wouldn't rate those dough balls as the "best" bait merely because I caught my biggest fish on them -- there were other significant factors involved besides my bait choice (location being the most obvious). At that time, a carp fisherman had few choices -- usually limited to corn or dough balls. Had we been aware of boilies or puffs in those days, I suspect that I could have caught some of my biggest fish using those baits as well.
It is my opinion that the "best bait" is the bait (or combination/fishing method) that instills the most confidence in the individual angler, based on his/her personal experience and knowledge, and his/her analysis of the present conditions.
C'mon Barry, just admit it, doughball rules.
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Nice capture.
Hmm, wonder if the bait it was caught on was a boilie, by a sponsored angler?
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I will take the bait on this one. lmao
Groundbait = complete breakdown and leaves virtually nothing for the carp to eat. You are left with scent and cloud
Packbait = Quick breakdown in under 2 minutes usually. The average packbait is not many ingredients and simple in comparison to method. Pack is usually a grain, wetter/binder and flavor sometimes more but the average pack is few ingredients.
Method= To me this was always a more smorgasbord of ingredients. The break is slow and is meant to hold fish over a long time due to the slow break. Often times you will find multiple ingredients and more items that can be eaten after the break such as many forms of particles. It is almost like combining groundbait and pack together and you get the clouding effect/smell of groundbait but have the particles/grains like a packbait. Just my thoughts.
Hmmmm, what about that bait ya came up with last year, pokebait---------where does that fall in your comparison?
With all the mention of break times in this debait, maybe we should just call these baits what they actually are......................................breakbait.
Nah, that would make to much sense...........
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All,
Just curious as I heard this guy at a local pond tell me that oatmeal and peanut butter mix rock to catch carp there. If I am just fishing a basic sliding sinker rig (carolina style), how would I go about rigging a bait like that since the ball is bigger than a size 6 hook?
Would I just cover the hook so it's not exposed? Would I use a treble?
Haven't learned the hair rig yet and am just trying to keep it simple, but mix up the baits. Any simple rigs with common terminal tackle I can use for a bait like this on the bottom?
Thanks in advance.
Trebles, pfft................... quads are the way to go----------if they're legal where ya fish............ LOL
They have dough hooks with springs if ya find you're having trouble keeping your bait on the hook, here:
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Also this video shows how important water temperatures are mid way through the video when I used the standard weight ratio mix I added cold water to the fish tank and you could see how this effected the break time by barely breaking at all. By adding more quick grits this will allow it to break faster. I later added warmer water and it broke down correctly. Hope you enjoy and Thank You for watching!
Hmm, now wait a minute, I don't know if ya can call that first attempt where it didn't break down and ya had to poke it to get it started, a packbait. More like a..............pokebait...............LOL. Just what we need, yet another bait term..........
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so now I ask you.......post a picture of, or tell us about the weirdest or strangest thing you've managed to bring to the bank!!!
Well, let's see, I've caught an Allegheny River "whitefish" before. Then many years ago on the Mon river, I dragged in a plastic garbage bag with some kind of statue in it. Reeled in once to re-bait at a PA paylake and hooked a whole hotdog on the retrieve.
Accidentally landed a couple of ducks over the years, not to mention some frogs (caught on purpose) and snakes as a kid.But the strangest thing I've landed, came on a warmish Jan. night several years ago at the local lake:
The muskrat wasn't too happy about being pulled from its watery home-------it put up a pretty good fight.........in the water and.....on land. Ya can clearly see the hook in it's bottom lip. I'm pretty sure the bait was those flavored pips that were mentioned on another thread recently. It eventually broke the line and got to keep the hook as a souvenir for it's trouble.
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Nice PB. Showin' Dad how to rip the hogs. He's got the pose down. Looks like yinz had a fun outing.
Who's that Al guy------------grandpa...............................???
He looks way too old to be one of your kids. 
I was a bit older than Kody when I entered the 30 lb. club, but nowhere near as old as Al was.
My PB is 34 lb.(pic below) as well, so Kody is in good company...................................or not.
Now the question is Sean, when are ya gonna get a PA 30?
Raymond "Herkel" Corcoran
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On the heels of losing Phonebush over the summer, another veteran carper passed away recently. Herk, as many knew him by, was not only a veteran carp fisherman, but a veteran in service to his country being in the U.S.Marine Corps.
Raymond Corcoran | 1946 - 2021 | Obituary
Raymond Corcoran
December 21, 1946 - November 15, 2021
Raymond "Herky" Corcoran, 74 of Fredericktown, PA passed away Monday, November 15, 2021.
He leaves behind his children Kelly, Tracy, and Sean, his grandchildren Doug, Brendan, Maddie, and Danielle, as well as his brothers Dan & Tim and his sister Pam.
He will be rejoining his wife Peggy, his brother Tom, and his sister Pat in heaven.
An avid fisherman and hunter his entire life, he was his most relaxed self, with a line in the water. He managed 84 lakes for several years, becoming a well-known name with so many fishermen.
He was also a Vietnam Veteran who served from 1964-1967 in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Our hearts are broken, but full of love and great memories of him. He will be deeply missed by so many lives that he touched, but there is comfort knowing he is at peace.
Friends will be received Tuesday, November 23, 2021 from 3 to 7 PM in the Greenlee’s Fredericktown Funeral Home, Ltd., 42 Bank St. at Crawford Rd. Fredericktown, PA. Interment will be private. Online guestbook and personal condolences may be accessed at www.GreenleeFuneralHome.com.
I've spent a good bit of time going back and reading some of Herk's old posts here on the forum since his passing. Whether it was his time managing a PA Paylake for several years(and fishing them for many more years), organizing wild water tournaments with MojorLeagueCarp, or later on fishing some of the wildwater carp tourneys, and just carp fishing in general, many have benefited from fishing with and knowing Herk and were helped out by him in some way. I was fortunate enough to get to know Herk fairly well during his time as a CAG member. I always enjoyed the time I got to spend bankside with him........
The above pics were from an W. PA carpin' get-together back in 2007.
Here is a good article about what Herk was up to in his later years:
https://observer-reporter.com/news/localnews/fredericktown-veteran-lives-with-ptsd/article_5b03fb87-845a-5cbc-a144-d707ce669ae3.html
The living legend may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.........