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Another nice 'record', I think 88 kg.
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The only excuse to use this 'miracle' bread, is for fishing.
I always wondered why people would eat this crap, has very little to do with bread, more like a chemical bom. It should be banned really.
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Three words why, superior breeding program . One more word genetics
The 'superior' breeding programs you refer to are for the sole purpose of breeding consumption carp, a K3 [3 years old] is the goal,..those fish were never intended for sportsfishing, but there are no breeders anymore who can supply the nice fully scaled and linear type of carp, they all go for the highest grow rates.
The stocked mirror carp from the fifties through the eighties were able to live up to 40-50 years of age.
The modern bred carp, the Hungarian strains, usually don't get older than ±15 years. Anyone can read their breeding programs and could see many strains only have a 35% survival rate. If they wouldn't regularly breed commons back into these strains they couldn't survive at all.
Carp 'science' has about a 1000 year history, the reason why carp is now considered to be 'native' to our Dutch waters.
Its has become a huge industry, don't forget that most of Eastern Europe and Germany still consume a lot of carp. You'll find these strains even in Morocco and Turkye.
Stocking Hungarian strains in N.A would not automatically result in bigger carp;
-the genetics of mirror carp, breeding in the wild, will be lost quickly, as can be seen in the low rate of mirrors in N.A, as only mirrors breeding with mirrors will result in mirrors…in other words they regenerate to their original genes [common carp]
Since ±10 years, in Holland, we have mirror stocking programs by and for carpanglers, most licenses even forbid harvesting carp! It became necessary because also here the amount of mirrors got really small.
The ones who promote obese misfits generally have a commercial interest, such as sponsored anglers/tackle supply co's/manufacturers of carp gear/paylake owners and carp magazines.
I support the group who try to educate on behalf of the welfare of carp, against the commercialization of our sport.
https://www.facebook.com/ForTheLoveOfCarp
To make matters worse the places where these 'records' are fattened are always the ones who claim these so called 'records'.
This new claim again is such a misfit, the poor sucker is caught 2-3 x a year.
North Americans should be glad this 'virus' hasn't reached its borders. It definitely ruins the sport.
If you want you can add this to my 'negative' posts.
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Korda will be the only carp hook for me
Do you really think Korda makes hooks?
Korda is a marketing company!
There's only a handfull of hook factories.
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The language is Dutch, that's correct, but its a Belgian magazine.
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Looks you lacked some essential information, I'm surprised you didn't know 50lb line is almost a minimum to use on Larry!
Having said that, please don't use leaders! They are not fish friendly, think of a carp towing a leader with him…I could show you some pictures that are quite upsetting.
If 50lb straight isn't doing the trick, then use the 80lb…I tie a whole spool to my mainline [150 yards], like that the chance of losing the whole 'leader' is almost zero.
I don't use 'safety clips' either, I don't think they are safe, they just guarantee you loose a lot of sinkers!
Adding 1 or 2 foot of PVC tubing also reduces the chance of cutting of, the soft PVC will be cut, but 99,9% of the runs, the braid will remain intact.
I also noticed your rod-pod setting, which doesn't work in snag/rock infested areas, I advise you to point your rods to the sky and only fish as far out as you really have to.
If there is no current, you could also use a cork or a pingpong ball to keep your line of the bottom…btw most braids will float, which helps us greatly as we don't have the issue Euro carpanglers would have with a floating line.
And as a last tip, keep your rod low and flat [tip close to the water], you'll see most carp will rise to the surface and stay away from the rocks, the higher you hold your rod, while fighting a carp, the more the carp will want to dive down!
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Wow, tried to help, which you chose to ignore! I could have said, I told you so, but didn't want to rub it in.
Your removed post;"I had my shirt handed to me!" tells me enough.
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He removed his post, will probably post in the member section, but it was a bad trip [as I predicted]
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Word has it that Long Sault is fishing horrible right now
Depending on who is doing what, I think this is going on a bit longer, too many fish the same area all the time, plus they keep feeding corn.
My advise would be not to fish the islands [or well away from others] and either color your corn or go for range cubes/boilies.
The plan is to bait up a few spots including the damSame thing for the dam.
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As there hardly is any public carp water in the UK, prices for licenses have historically been very high..so for Brits is much easier to say its OK. I think the avarage UK carpangler has trouble catching 10 carp a year.
In Holland the serious websites don't want any mention of paylakes nor world records anymore. And unfortunatley they move a lot of carp from lake to lake. In Holland we have professional fishermen with fishing rights going back a few hundred years...more and more carp dissapear. The rules were changed much too late in France and many of the big carp from public waters are now swimming in Paylakes.
Its probably to late to say no to PL...I agree and a personal choice.
The German venue in my view is as bad as any...also I wouldn't want to be found dead near this pond.
It may look a bit better than those Hungarians, but no way it is a normal fish. Worst of it all, look how they make photo's...you'd think they show us a 150lb carp. If you don't think its an ugly mud I can live with that too.
This is my last reaction, you can decide for yourself howfar you let things go in N.A.
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Its a shame that people on internet think there are no rules and every nobody can take his pick at anybody.
Unfortunately also CAG had and has this problem from time to time.
Mario started to provoke me, as he did before, when I greeted his very first post, here on CAG, so shame on your director…he was only trying to make this personal…and the reason for my statement that followed.
[Mario Kok@; I claim bull.... on your statement above. If you were to catch a fat mirror in the wild, you would kill it? Please tell me why you are even on the CAG forum.]BCLT@; your arguments fail to make sense, your comments were wrong and instead of admitting that, you too choose to belittle me…some of your friends did much the same way,..I think I countered you the way you intended to hurt me. [even PBed you to explain]
You're quite happy I piled Gravers and Rainbow on the same s&^% pile, but fail to understand its just one MORE questionable Paylake , it only proves you guys know more European Paylakes than I do, some even fished there…and please don't say that Rainbow isn't controversial…if you want to catch one of the former World Records there, you have to wait at least 2 years, that long is the waiting list.
Its very sad NOBODY spoke one word on behalf of the shocking example Arvand posted, 3rd attempt….800 carp 20-30 kg….141 carp 30-39,9 kg….3 carp more than 40kg…for 11ha.
For a healthy water system, in Holland we advise no more than 200-250 kg of carp per ha
The example of Euro-aqua is 11 ha for ±25000kg of carp, or more than 2000 kilo per ha…almost 10x our advise!
For some the weight is more important than the well-being of carp.
I'm glad Lorne did get it is intended to educate NA anglers and although I regret the way this goes, I'm not a willing victim, remember that!
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Arvand@ Since you have not contributed to this forum in any way other that your photography post we don't know what you like!
I see you're a forum guest, so you don't have access to all the posted info, but you could look at my content... I contribute since 2003..there should be at least 3-4 articles I wrote for CAG you can acccess here.
You could also read my profile, which should also give some info [al lot more more than most!]
Many older CAG members will know me better, unfortunately over the years the CAG forum has had the same problems we face in Europe! Look into the Tony Davies-Patrick crap...hey I even organised for him to have his book published, but he proved to be really special!!
So as now, I often don't feel to post, because there are too many idiots only bashing and ridiculing.
I'm a 45 year carp veteran, self taught,..former Board Member of the Dutch Carp Study Group, author, carp promotor, I also organise carp trips to Canada yearly for ±a dozen Dutch.
None of you guys ever met me, I never fish the known venues. You want to see fish Google my name and CarpSafari.
I don't want to publish anymore, because I don't like the way the magazines handle text as their own.
I don't read any magazines anymore either
I don't fish for carp in Europe anymore since 1995
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maybe start reading might do the trick... Les Graviers IS Rainbow Lake!!!!
That ####lake in Germany is where the common ho resides...all Pay Lakes. You don't want me to list all these ####ty lakes are you? Just named the most notorious ones...pfff.
Arvand; If you would have actually read the text, you would have seen the bashing was started by Mario and I was willing to return the favor. Why don't you include him?
You started this topic and you are entitled to like these misfits of course.
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Rainbow Lake is that place. Maybe you have trouble reading too?
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Thanks, finally some common sense.
True the discussion has flared again,…but it was Arvand who was so keen on showing this.
I only react to educate, not to promote myself in any way.
Also true the carp scene in Europe is guilty of all of the above statements.
Everything for an extra buck and a Lb more, even the wide angle lens, to even enhance a 40+ kg fish, to look like a 80kg fish!
The French made transportation of carp illegal, much too late, big lakes like lac de la Foret d'Orient and Lac du Der were already stripped of many big carp, bought by Pay Lake owners to stock their ponds to make them more interesting for paying customers. And those carp were mostly caught by 'sportsanglers' and sold to the lake owners and traders.
Nowadays even those big lakes rent out swims for carpfishing.
ECHO is an English organization;
a- to educate the public about the threads posed to our sport.
b- educate about illegal stocking, smuggling and selling of carp.
c- Promote the use of home grown fish to stock UK waters.
http://www.echocarp.co.uk/echo-2/aims-objectives/
lake Sarulesti, better known as lake Raduta, got the honor of the status ' lake of Ho's'….you could get more than just food and boilies delivered to your tent, a fact that greatly improved the promotion!
Simular story as Euro Aqua, fish caught by professional fishermen from the Danube Delta, made famous by anglers who were willing to pay the price. It all ended when a new batch of carp infected the residents and killed most of the big carp.
Rainbow lake nowadays has the reputation to deliver the fattest carp…usually ±3 times a year a new 'World record' is announced…300 grams or so more than the previous 'record'. Fully booked for the next two years!
They do treat their carp better than most, but also do everything to make these carp gain weight. Even extra lime is dumped to obtain a certain level of PH
600+ Pay Lakes in France now!
The serious websites don't want this kind of promotion anymore, but its too late to try to ban Pay Lakes.
Marketing and promotion created a market for these venues.
So it does look kinda grimm for the future, when you ask me.
I'm SO happy fishing in Canada, couldn't be bothered carping in Europe again.
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Clearly the nay sayers didn't even bother to read, others quote totally wrong information to make their point…and others again only want to discredit.
A few times a year we get a post like this; watch this amazing sized carp/ world record blabla….when you take the trouble to read my older posts you see I feel strongly about this subject.
Unfortunately this again is a 'good' example, it being a Pay Lake carp, €700 p.w and you have to buy their boilies too!
800 carp between 20 and 30 kg…141 between 30 and 39kg..plus 3 over 40kg…in a 11 Ha pond, what would you call that? I call it a fishfarm.[they do sell carp too you know]
Many of the NA carp may have decended from mirrors, but mirrors didn't look like what modern bred carp look like at all.
The NA strain has proved to be strong, not much inbreeding at all. For that reason they are such good sportsfish!
Please read from the link on Aqua-Delta and the link about the Hungarian breeding schedules, look at what and how they promote this type of carp.
This also is a Hungarian mirror, well on its way to 'world record' levels, its part of a stocking program, hence the photo in the back...the nasty bump behind the head is a 'good' indicator of what type of 'sportsfish' you can expect.
In Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria,Chech Rep etc they stock their lakes with hunderds of thousands of small carp like this ,yearly, for local consumption, so its a real different situation than in the rest of Europe where carp is highly regarded as a sportsfish. In Holland, in most places, you are not even allowed to keep a carp for eating!
I feel strongly about NOT stocking these misfits!
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BCLT;This thread is a joke
It is, but not for the reasons you give!
Unfortunately your language skills will not allow you a normal discussion I see.
As usual these announcements are simply to lure new customers to these money pits.
Luckily some do understand, so my efforts are not in vain.
EXACTLY - take a great thing and just RUIN IT - the american way!Another cryptic message? Who are you telling what please?
Just as you have the ability to call it like you see it............I DO TO...............so I call BS! if you caught this fish you would claim KING CARP just like your handle.Wow, shows you really don't know me at all. You answered what you would do... and yes my compatriot would post this fish in about 1 minute flat, I agree.
If you have spent any time on any of the european forums, english websites, english newspapers and channels you would know that this is a regular thing........a record is a record, regardless...Did you actually READ any of my text? Does not look like it. You might have understood, that its my point that the European carpfishing is all about these misfits nowadays!! And trying to warn you fails.
I usually post with some sarcasm, to make a point, but I see its a waste of effort on your behalf.
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Dear Bob, I see you still struggle with your obvious frustration of not being able to promote your fishing guide services with large mirror carp.
Haha, almost funny Mario, but anybody who knows me will tell you different, I hate those fat f%&$# and never said anything about normal looking mirror carp!!
You choose to ridicule my warnings to sportsfishermen to ignore these consumption carp and obviously like to even promote them. You're a bit of a media ho, if you ask me. But you don't charge!
And I will ignore your attempts to piss me off, you already did that years ago.
Cheers, and specially for you a choice of records.
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Well Ian, I think Mario likes his obese, handicapped fish!
Mario ####, I claim your bull.... on your statement about fishing these awful commercial paylakes in Europe, look at the fish you promote yourself!
He's quick to agree about Pay Lakes, but he doesn't mind catching these misfits himself,..they do better in the media too you know.
The promotors of the 'world class' venue stocked this pond with 800 carp between 20- 30kg, 141 between 30 and 39kg, plus 3 carp 40+kg mirror! For 11 Ha.
Can anybody, with dry eyes, declare this to be normal?
http://www.euro-aqua-fishing.at/index-old.htm
Unfortunately some forces like to 'grow' world records, they are such a nice marketing tool you know. A whole industry is built around this crap (carp).
And they are killing what used to be a great sport!
BTW any 15-20lb Canadian carp performs better than those obese misfits!
Its very strange, when you meet an obese person, let's say a 400 pounder, I have never ever heard anybody describe such a person as 'miss world' or 'attractive' or 'desirable' and nobody doubts its very bad for your health. Would we cheer for fat farms, to grow fat?
To make matters even worse, most of the anglers showing such a freak, use ultra wide angle lenses!
Promoting 'world record' carp, will only highlight the excesses and give a false picture to our younger generation.
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All the current world records caught are from similar lakes in Europe, what makes them any better!
You are missing the point completely,.. all these so called 'world records' are misfits, there isn't ONE normal carp there.
Its a shame that 'world records' are quoted, it only brings more trouble to carp fishing and these misfits are NO sportsfish. The are just a means to sell more trips to 'Pay Lakes' ...that is where you find these fish!!!
As with this example,..you can get a chance at this 'record' for €700 per week.
A big fish like that in Canada,..please no,...If I catch this freak in Canada, I donate it to an Eastern European BBQ party in a heartbeat.
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it is a natural lake adding value to the carp caught
Bull####
was banked from Hungarian fishery, Euro-Aqua
Take a look here and see why Hungarian carp grow big, they are the leading carp growers for consumption carp.
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2406E/y2406e03.htm#TopOfPage
An accomplishment?? Really? Lets agree to disagree.
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This gross looking fish was netted from lake Balaton, and stocked in a pond...force feeding resulted in this monstrous 'carp'.
A shame to call it a sportsfish, shame on the guy who claims a 'world record'.
This type of carp was 'engineered' to grow the ideal consumption carp,...without head and tail fits right on a plate.
It was never intended to grow over 10lb.
Budugly!
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One Good Thing About Carping In Europe
I disagree, that's what is killing the goodwill we had in Europa, many are getting sick and tired of (young) anglers boozing, smoking dope, ignoring rules etc and generally making a nuisance of themselves!
One of the first British picture books about carpin, showed a bivvy with a pile of empty beer bottles next to it, same size and hight as the bivvy,..that was considered to be 'funny'.
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Haven't we seen that fish before?...I'm starting to lose interest in that whoever-feeds-the-fish-the-most-wins type of $hit.
Yes you are right, same fish,....300gram more or so....
:rolleyes: as usual.
Here she is ! 54.4lb pure gold !
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Very true, a thorn in my eye too, but looks more like a 100 Lb'er, Biagini is very well known for these absurd trophy shots.
Its already a truely nice carp, these photos don't do justice to this fish.
PS here's a 120Lb example of his.