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Large can of sweetcorn , drain the liquid (save juice) (large can of corn prob = 2 regular cans).
A pack of strawberry jello and a box of panko breadcrumbs
dump all into a bucket/pan
stir and mix until sticky and "gluey"
if too dry, add a little of the drained juice back in little by little until it will pack into a stiff ball.
Done right, it will set up great, cast well and break down slowly off your method feeder
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I don't know that model.
I will offer this.
The Penn Spinfisher 4500LL and the 6500LL have been serving me very well for a couple years now. They do not have the long cast spools but they work pretty well for me and have very smooth and very strong drags. (LL = Live liner...they are baitfeeder reels)
I have a 4500LL on a 10'-0 carp rod loaded with approx 280 yds of 30 pound camo braid. I use that basically in the margins. The 6500LL's are on a 12' and 13' rods and they are loaded with 50# camo braid. I always run a very long fluorocarbon leader and it works for me. I can get out fairly close to 100yds if I really rip my shorts to do so. I usually have no need to reach out that far.
I have a Penn 7500 LC (long cast) that I use on my spod rod. It's sole purpose is to deliver feed at long distances. I can hit 100 with it with a fully loaded spomb if I step into it and rip the shorts....(the 7500 LC is NOT a Live liner, it is just a large, long cast spinning reel. I have 300 yds of 80 pound braid on it for flinging fully loaded spods)
I have the SSV (5) models but they have just came out with the SS6. They are supposed to be "better". I don't know.
Price is...
around 150 for the 4500LL and around 180-ish for the 6500LL
The 7500LC was around 180-190 if memory serves me right.
I bought all of this 3+ years ago so prices and things have changed. You can still get the SSV models and now they are cheaper since they came out with the SS6 models but I imagine they are not making more of them and they will disappear as stock runs out. Get'em while you can
solid reels for any adventure
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That is crazy...leave the carp alone! (well not the silver or bigheads)
common carp are not invasive like they are, they have been here for well over a hundred years, prob close to 200.
If they use that logic sort of logic, then start killing all the brown trout as well...they are NOT native North American species either
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Interesting comment.
It's why I got a scale and a weigh sling...
I'm not a master angler so I can only share a couple pics that might help with scale and "volume" because they were weighed.
This is a pic of a 14 pound common. Notice it's position in the net. The net is 26" across.
Here is a 26 pound mirror. Also notice it's girth (width) in relation to that same net
That's all I got fellas....hope that gives some scale
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I have been carping for as long as I could remember. When were kids, a buddy of mine lived next to a big river (the Ohio) and we could go there and fish all the time.
I can remember catching tons of carp on home made dough bait....just a simple dough ad vanilla extract added...worked like a charm.
We didn't catc many big fish but we sure had a lot of fun.
fast forward to today and I am still a carp fan. There is nothing quite like a big carp run on light tackle. I do have some European rods now coupled with Penn reels and I love it.
I would venture a guess that more than half of my fishing time is dedicated to carp. I do chase trout in the spring and catfish here and there...plus fishing for bluegills for bait is always fun too. But big carp is the one species I prob focus most of my time on...and it is truly rewarding.
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sorry guys.....I have my moments.....I have been fishing for decades.......I catch a lot of fish......
my goal has always been to be more consistent.......I can catch them....I want to catch them all the time
If you want to tell me a thing....be prepared to come show me....or it is all big talk....show me.
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What a great challenge.....
There is a lake in the western part of our state.....it has brute carp. I have seen them.
Beech fork lake.....
I challenge anyone to come and show me......I know what it takes to catch them here....but I would love to be schooled and educated on better ways.....
I know the lake...I know it's quirks and weirdness......I often use a weighted bobber and a surface bait cause they are conditioned to eat freebies off the surface.....an ajusta-bobber and a dog food pellet can be devastating to these fish.....
but hey....I am always open to learn something new.....come and school me......show me why a boilie is going to make a transformational shift in feeding habits.....
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Well thanks Brian....
it's like this....
The carp here are not used to eating boilies.....they will eat them....I have proven that. However....they are very suspicious of them. It is a new thing. It' not like in England or the EU where people feed them tons of boilies per year.....that is just not how it is and they are not a natural thing.....we know this....you should know this too.
Getting a carp to bite on a boilie here is like getting a bass to bite on a nightcrawler....yes it is within their dietary requirements....but they are not sold on the idea just yet.
Use them.....they will work.
Will you report back astounding successes?....not likely....but you will catch fish.
Anyone that wants to tout that boilies are the best thing since sliced bread have never fished my waters.....that is just not the case.....shal I re-poost the above? It takes time and there are rewards......but it is not magic and it does not happen over night
well just because it needs to be re-affirmed....
I have a couple bags of "the Key" stabilized and I have caught fish on them....I generally run a couple handfuls through the "Korda Krusher" and add them to my spomb mixes.
Now I will say....I use a lot of small betain HNV pellets in my spod mix....I actually have some 20 mm I sometimes band onto the hook but I have not had any hook ups with that method "yet". They are a fishmeal pellet with betain sugars....it sounds logical to me and logic is what builds my confidence in a bait.
My spod mix is generally prepared field corn, crushed boilies, pellet, and some of my "goo"....which is wetted, stale Italian bread and raw bran. When I boil my field corn, I always add in a handful of star anise clusters....my wife hates it when I do that....lol...the house ends up being pretty funky when I cook field corn.
I have used halibut pellets but as of yet....have not scored a fish on them....but I have confidence they will work so will continue to use them. I also have a couple jars of HNV betain hookbaits (14mm I think). I also have faith in those....but still have not had the big bite on them.
I have a couple bottles of CC Moore feed stim and big bottle of hemp oil that I sometimes use....I also sometimes glug with a liquid corn deer attractant...it's basically like a molasses and has added vitamins and minerals.
All of that being said, my biggest fish and my most regular catches....come on a hair rig filled with sweetcorn fished over beds of the above.
I give all of them a shot but facts are facts....If I am fishing 3 rods...I am generally fishing 3 different baits and the rod that will always out perform the others is the rod with the sweetcorn on the hair. This is just the facts of my personal experience.
do you get it yet?
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You guys own stock in Nash or what?
It's not that simple....ever....but thanks for the show
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I use these on bank sticks
with these bobbins
Here is a pic of my set up....(I am a terrible photographer)....
a 10'-0, 3# test curve, a 12'-0, 3# test curve and a 13'-0 3.5# test curve. All have Penn SSV 6500LL and 50# spiderwire Camo braid. I use a a weird leader system consisting of 40# Berkley vanish the sinker slides on and a 15# fluorcarbon hooklink or a 40# braided hooklink. It's complicated.
My spod rod is leaning on the tackle bag and is a 12'-0 5.5# test curve and has a Penn SSV 7500 LC with 80# spiderwire.
The best bite indicator I have is the bobbins....sometimes I don't even use the alarms.....you can use a lot of different things to serve the purpose of a bobbin....
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I have a couple bags of "the Key" stabilized and I have caught fish on them....I generally run a couple handfuls through the "Korda Krusher" and add them to my spomb mixes.
Now I will say....I use a lot of small betain HNV pellets in my spod mix....I actually have some 20 mm I sometimes band onto the hook but I have not had any hook ups with that method "yet". They are a fishmeal pellet with betain sugars....it sounds logical to me and logic is what builds my confidence in a bait.
My spod mix is generally prepared field corn, crushed boilies, pellet, and some of my "goo"....which is wetted, stale Italian bread and raw bran. When I boil my field corn, I always add in a handful of star anise clusters....my wife hates it when I do that....lol...the house ends up being pretty funky when I cook field corn.
I have used halibut pellets but as of yet....have not scored a fish on them....but I have confidence they will work so will continue to use them. I also have a couple jars of HNV betain hookbaits (14mm I think). I also have faith in those....but still have not had the big bite on them.
I have a couple bottles of CC Moore feed stim and big bottle of hemp oil that I sometimes use....I also sometimes glug with a liquid corn deer attractant...it's basically like a molasses and has added vitamins and minerals.
All of that being said, my biggest fish and my most regular catches....come on a hair rig filled with sweetcorn fished over beds of the above.
I give all of them a shot but facts are facts....If I am fishing 3 rods...I am generally fishing 3 different baits and the rod that will always out perform the others is the rod with the sweetcorn on the hair. This is just the facts of my personal experience.
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11 hours ago, Mr. CEO said:
I guess I'll just have to try my homemade boilies and see how they compare to corn. Thanks for the info!
Or....there is a recipe online for cornbread boilies
Maybe make the best of both worlds....
I haven't tried them, but they at least sound reasonable to use in conjunction with prepared field corn feed/chum
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I have had some luck with boilies but all of my best fish came on plain old canned sweetcorn that I usually fish over a bed of cooked and flavored field corn.
I guess one advantage to boilies is that small fish can't steal your bait...but as said above, conditioning fish to eat boilies could be an expensive proposition unless there is one venue you consistently fish. I fish a lot of different places and going back regularly to throw in food is not really an option.
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On 3/24/2017 at 9:09 AM, Cannonball said:
Could you draw a map for us?
Lmao....I'm kinda stingy on the secret places!
I went back yesterday (self employment does have it's advantages) for about 3 hours and put another dozen + in the freezer. Just using a little 7 foot light weight spinner, 6# test fluoro line, a thill bobber about 2 foot above a number 8 long shank gold hook and tiny pieces of worm.....I did use a 1/64 ounce jig with a bit of worm on it and it did just as well.....till I snagged it on a sunken branch and lost it. The long shank gold eagle claw hooks are way cheaper than the jigs. I generally use the jigs with Berkley Gulp alive "fry" when the gills are super aggressive.
I am looking forward to going out there and giving it a full on carper introduction and see what I can get.
It is an odd shaped pond....(they call it a lake but to me, it is just a large pond) It's shaped like a kidney....well that's not quite right....more like a reverse "C" shape when viewed on google maps....the "dam" is the top of the "c". If I had to guess cause I can't find much info on it...I'd say it is maybe 2 acres? That's pushing it.
I haven't plumbed it for depth officially. Just based on how long it takes an average weight to drop to the bottom near the "dam"...I'd say 10-12 feet tops. It is not maintained....there are tree falls all over the shores....which is absolutely fantastic for catching 'gills for bait. Tree falls = bluegill....always. Kinda hazardous for your rigs but the rigs are super cheap.
I am kind of excited to get out there with full on carp kit and go for it. I have not yet seen anything indicating carp but I am willing (and hopeful) that the fellow I met out there wasn't full of BS.
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I went out and did ok....I put a dozen hand sized bluegills in the freezer for later this summer. Took a little over an hour. I have to confess, I was using pieces of nightcrawlers...it's still pretty cool weather and they are not hard to keep at this time.
I went back today and we had just had a frigid night....it got down to 24 degrees. Nothing was biting. But while I was there....I ran into another fisherman...rare on this secluded little gem.
We got to talking and I told him I was a carper and I loved to carp fish and he informed me there are carp in the lake and no one ever fishes for them. He said they look to be Koi cause he has seen them cruising the margins but he admitted he has never been able to get them to bite. He said he chums and fishes with canned corn and that he only ever seems to catch channel cats when he does it.
That seriously sparked my interest in this little lake/pond. I assumed there wouldn't be anything much in it but sunfish/panfish but he told me there were cats and carp and crappie and some big bass....always good to talk to other fishermen on the waters...
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In all fairness, I do have a 40 pound flathead under my belt....but those are like unicorns....you may go your entire lifetime and never see one
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This is an old picture from late Dec 2015...
But I'm still proud of it...26 pound mirror.
Below it is a 14 pound common....notice the orientation in the net.....that mirror was a freight train.
I am a terrible photographer so I don't take many pics....the joy and memories are all iin my head...but every now and then I'll pop a shot fr posterity and bragging time
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I get skeptical reviews when i talk about carp fishing with other fishermen out on the waters...until I mention the 26 pound mirror and 30 pound common I have caught....then they perk up and want to know more....
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Where did you buy the big bag of panko? That looks great!
I haven't done much carping yet this year. Been doing the trout thing and now that is basically done for me....I am going to be spending some time stocking the freezer with bluegill for catfish bait. Found a new pond that I am going to hit Monday if the weather holds...hoping to make a haul for catfish bait. It's about a 2 acre pond....I went there earlier and I could see a ton of little bluegill...I think it is so underfished they might be stunted...but I am planning on fixing that! I also saw a lot of big snapping turtles...that is NOT good....
The lake I normally carp at is odd....it stocks trout in the spring and they have regulations about a lot of things until May 31st because of that.
I do plan on doing some carping on the old Coal river between now and then....my PB comes from the Coal....30 pound common.
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I keep hoping (I know, it's a bad idea) that they will introduce Wels catfish or paraiba to the Mississippi river system to control the Asian carp (bighead and silver)...
The genie is out of the bottle now...there is no putting it back in. Either you introduce a ravenous predator capable of controlling the invasive species or the destruction of the waters all the way into the great lakes is inevitable...it's only a matter of time if nothing is done at all.
Can you imagine Wels or paraiba here in the states? It would be sweet!
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Well I am not an ecologist so.....but I do understand that anytime a particular species becomes out of balance...it can wreak havoc on the natural balance.
Limited options at that point....cull the conquering species or introduce a predator which also has long range problems
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Nice work.
Yeah it's kinda funny your state is interested in the mirrors. Our DNR doesn't even have them listed in any of the fishing regulations or state records but I catch them fairly often at one of the lakes I go to. maybe I should turn one in and be the new state record holder for a day or two...
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16 hours ago, Dunkel said:
I use a level measuring TBSP, but I don't think it matters as long as it's close. I use sea salt (non iodized), not sure why salt would need to be kosher for packbait? LOL
Kosher salt is a little coarser ground grains I think. Maybe breaks down a fraction of a second slower? I'm going to try the rock salt this year. I figure Kevin Nash is a pretty clever fellow...makes great baits and gear...I think he's caught a few decent sized carp over the years...
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I recently watched a video with Kevin Nash and he uses rock salt...lots of it. Says it's a secret ingredient.
Hair Rigs - The best way to fish them?
in Beginning Carping
Posted · Edited by Manosteel
I have thousands of bait stops of different styles...some barbell, some "U" shaped that embed into the bait...
what I use most often and seems to work the best is a piece of grass or stick from around the water I am fishing
true story
The length of the hair might be your problem, you will have to experiment with how much "hair" you need for the bait you are presenting. You want it long enough that they will feel the bait and not the hook on pick up and when they send it back to the gills for crushing, they then encounter the hook. They try to eject the whole mess and they can't...
Since I usually use canned corn for hook bait, my hair rigs are fairly short and allow 3-4 kernals only on the thread.
When I run boilies, it's just long enough to get bait on and a stopper in and a little hinge action right at the hook bend
too much length on the hair might be the problem...they are crushing the bait and feeling the line before the hook gets in their mouth
for me, shorter seems better