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Guys,
Our web site is now live at www.boilieshop.com.
As most of you know we are only selling larger orders through this site. Smaller quantities of Boilie Shop products may be purchased from one of out two distributors: Big Carp Tackle (Base Mixes, Flavours, etc.) and Resistance Tackle. (Base mixes, Flavours, Glugs, etc + Boilies). Be sure to let Jon Ed at BCT or Andy at Resistance know if you need any of our products that are not currently carrying.
As always, you may call or email us to arrange orders of customised baits.
All the best....... Bill D.
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Lovely looking fish..... well done
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4.4 is an awseome size for a Roach. A 2 pound fish is considered a trophy and people have spent their lives angling and never caught one of that size. Over 4 pounds is just incredible..... Bill D.
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I too, knew Lenny from the old CAA days. Rest in Peace mate!! ....... Bill D.
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Hi guys - just a quickie.
Firstly thanks to Jim Bounds for inviting me to join this forum.
My name (if you care!) is Julian Motture, I am 38, an Engineer and totally addicted to fishing! All forms - doesn't matter as long as I'm fishing. My bests are a bit crap - Carp 22lb, Pike 17lb, Barbell 11lb.
I fish in the River Thames and in local lakes (gravel pits).
I also love computer games and you will find me most nights on XBox live (playing my new 360).
Julian,
Welcome from another Londoner (well, ex-Londoner anyway
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Oh well, I guess I'll be calling the BOLLIE SHOP!
Best decision I've seen on this thread....
All the best.............. Bill D.
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Are they Boilie Shop boilies???? If not, Im not even gonna waste my time guessing.
Don't be silly.... Nobody gives away our Boilies
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Diezel,
Welcome to the forum..... Nice fish
All the best..... Bill D. -
will you still sell the other assorted products colors flavors etc or just your bread and butter (could be a new flavor) product boilies
Mark,
Well, we will sell flavours, colours, glugs, robin red, preservative, kelp, binder, particles etc., etc. BUT only in bulk quantities which can be negotiated by giving us a call. We just don't want to be in the small order game any more.
Don't get me wrong now guys
we appreciate all the business we've done with small orders over the years but it's just not the type of sales we want to do from now on. Way too much hassle for us, it would be different if we were just pulling bags of bait off a shelf and shipping them out but that's not what we do All the best...... Bill D.
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Boilie Shop News
CAG members,
For some time now we have been contemplating making a change to the way we do business at The Boilie Shop.
There are a growing number of companies that will supply North American anglers with small amounts of Shelf-Life baits, which is the bait suitable to most American carp anglers. We are not in that business and have no desire to get into that business which we’ll happily leave to the new guys (and some of the old guys
) on the block. Since we only make bait to order and never stock pile any boilies it’s very costly for us to roll small amounts of bait. To roll a couple of pounds of yellow Pineapple followed by a total clean up and a couple of pounds of red Tutti Frutti, for example, is not the most cost effective way for us to make our baits. Our preferred customers, of course, are the organizations, guys, or teams of guys, who order fifty pounds or a hundred pounds at a time.
What we’ve decided to do is to go back to our original business model which is to supply baits only in large quantities. The minimum order quantity of Boilies or Base Mixes that we will now accept is 25 pounds of each type (not 25 pounds total order). We are very fortunate to have enough customers who place orders of this kind to keep us very busy for the foreseeable future.
Starting today we will only accept orders placed by email “boilieshop@comcast.net” or telephone “215-752-5860”. Payments accepted will be checks or money orders. Consequently I have disabled our web site, which should take effect tomorrow (Friday).
Wayne and I would like to extend our thanks to all our customers, past and present, who made the last couple of years such a blast for us. It was fun but it’s time to move on.
Good fishing everyone and our wishes for a happy and safe holiday season ……
All the best…… Bill & Wayne.
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Hi all -
There is nothing like spending a few days back in your boyhood home over the holidays to put you in a nostalgic mood. I am Thankful that my parents live just a short drive away from Dallas up in the Tulsa OK area. We moved to the Tulsa suburb of Broken Arrow back in 1981. Even then, I was a keen angler. In fact, I was rather disappointed that the Arkansas River which runs through Tulsa was nothing at all like my mighty Columbia River which pushes through eastern Washington. Nonetheless, there were plenty of farm ponds, lakes, and strip pits to continue my fishing ways.
I can remember avidly reading everything I could get my hands on. I eagerly awaited every issue of BASS Masters magazine, Field & Stream, Sports Afield, Outdoor Life, etc. etc. Many were read standing in the aisle of a local supermarket or bookstore. I also fondly remember pedalling my bicycle all the way across town at least once a week to roam the aisles of our local tackle shop - Okie Bug Bait and Tackle. The shop was about 6 miles away, so it was quite a trek back then. I can still remember the shop vividly. A cowbell clanged to announce your presence as you entered the cinder block building. Straight ahead and to the right was the glass encased sales counter with various reels, depth finders and other gadgets on view. Atop the counter was an old cash register. Beyond the counter were several bait tanks busily bubbling away. Each held shiners of diffent sizes. One held waterdogs. Occaisionally, a renegade shiner would flip out onto the floor.
The main shop was tiled with linoleum and looked like it hadn't seen a mop or a coat of wax from the dawn of time. The tackle items were displayed around the outer walls and on three aisles of peg board. Hoop nets, cast nets for shad, styrofoam bait buckets, and other large items in one corner. A row for soft plastics, another for crankbaits, and a third for spinner and buzz baits. The backside of one aisle had tubs of stink bait, trot-lines, and other catfish gear. I think it was something about the soft plastics that gave the whole place a sort of fruity oily smell. Needless to say, this place was a peice of heaven on earth. I would walk the aisles dreaming of the fish which might be caught using each item. I'd usually buy a spinnerbait or a package of plastic pencil bobbers. Then back on my bicycle and off again to home.
Just this weekend I thought about heading over to the old tackle shop. I asked my brother-in-law Jon if it was still around. He didn't know, but mentioned that a brand new Bass Pro Shops had recently opened in Broken Arrow. Despite already having a Bass Pro Shops mega-center in the Dallas area, I figured it would be neat to see the new one. So, the day after Thanksgiving, I was up fairly early, hopped in the car, and drove to the new shop. Oddly enough, it was just across the highway from the old Okie Bug.
The place is a Palace. The central area is a three story high vaulted ceiling. Toward the back of the store is a tall waterfall splashing into a pool below which circulates through an aquarium. Of course there was a microphoned fella giving bass catching seminars as he flipped a crankbait through the aquarium. Occaisionally a fish would pay attention and then veer off without actually striking. Interestingly, there were about a half dozen small carp finning around the aquarium - an Isralie looking mirror, a fully scaled mirror and four commons of about a pound or two apiece. It was nice to see.
The smell of roasting nuts and carmel corn wafted through the air. As if magnetized, I was drawn to the fishing section of the complex. 5 rows of fly fishing gear, 3 rows of soft plastics, row after row of bass gear, a row of crappie jigs, a row of hooks, weights, and swivels. All in all there were probably 20 rows of fishing goodies in addition to the 50 foot counter with reels on display. I asked if they had a Shimmano Thunnus and got a blank stare in return. Later, I thought it would be nice to get a rig rack - the old type where you put the looped end of a leader around a spring loaded peg and then pulled the leader taught and placed the hook into a notch. After looking and looking, I finally asked, again a blank stare. In the end, I lusted after pontoon boats, checked the pricing for spare boat trailer tires, looked at pedastel poles (pershaps to mount a pod on), avoided the tempation of the roasted nuts, and purchased a couple small packs of dip bait lures for catfish - total $3.48.
As I drove home taking the long way home past my old highschool, past the a few old fishing ponds, and other former hangouts, I got to thinking that things sure had changed. But last night before I fell asleep, as I lay there wondering about the catfish I would catch on my new dip bait lures, it dawned on me that here and now, nearly twenty-five years later, I'm still pedalling across town to browse and shop and dream of catching fish. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I think I'll drive back today and visit the old Okie Bug shop.
Very nice Brian......
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Al - you are correct of course. If I was at home and had access to my material on this interesting thread I would give the definitive answers for you guys. However
Leather - should have no scales
Common - small, regular scales evenly distributed on each side (number of rows should be at least 10)
Anything else is a mirror (call them fully-scaled, scatter-scaled, muddlers, linears or anything else but they are all mirrors).
Keith,
Couldn't have said it better myself
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IMHO any carp that doesn't have a full set of small, regular scales is not a common just as a leather with a few small scales is a not a leather
Steve,
My thoughts exactly
Perhaps we'll have to agree that a "muddler" is a regional American term for one particular type of Mirror and leave it at that All the best..... Bill D.
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Bill, once you have both scaled ominlies recessive in a carp (ie ss**), then there is nowhere on either side of the fish that common scaling occurs (ie at least 2 rows each way), and as looking on Matt's fish, just by the gill, about 1/3rd the way down, and right at the wrist of the tail clearly has common scaling patterns, meaning one of the ominlies on the scaled genes HAS to be dominant. And since "muddlers" cann only occur with a SsnN make up, then it is very easy to say this fish's genetic imprint is SsnN.
Once both scaled ominlies become recessive, then there are NO groupings of common type scalings anywhere on either side.
Now, many fish taken elsewhere, particlarly in the St Lawrence, and Great Lakes, have small patches of irregular scaling. Even in places where this happens most (ie above), still 90% of the commons taken will have the complete common scaling, bar injury. The SsnN make-up is the rarest there is, living anyways. Once you get both nude ominlies dominant, the fish dies (ie **NN).
THE most common "common" make-up found, and the most perfect scaling, would be SSnn, meaning a nearly flawless common. This occurs in about 78% of all commons, of course this can change slightly water to water, depending on the genetic make-up of the original fish. It seems Larry fish were blessed with a much higher ratio of parent fish being of the ***N variety. This is why "muddlers" occur much more frequently in these places.
Either way, once any grouping of scales on any area of the fish is common, then one scaled ominly in the genetic make-up is dominant, making it a common.
Scott,
Very interesting....
So what would the combination be for a true Leather, i.e. No scales at all? ............. All the best..... Bill D. -
I wasn't being Anti-Bill Scott, I just always heard to the terms scatter-scale and muddler used in reference to fish I would call a common carp otherwise, if it weren't for their wierd scaling. MY fish and some of the other muddlers I've seen from such places as the Larry, were never even thought to be mirrors.
It be interesting if there any real definitions of these terms...
Again, not trying to make an arguement, I just thought/think people, like me and Bill, had different understandings of the definitions of these words.
Language is a tricky thing...
Matt
Matt,
Language IS tricky..... I'm happy to look at both fish and say that they are great specimens of their kind. I'm glad you caught yours and I'm doubly glad I caught mine
Even nicer to think that they are both still swimming around out there somewhere, totally oblivious to the ruckus they've caused Well actually NJ Rob caused it with the first post in the thread, but we all know what a Plonker he is (sorry Rob, see you tomorrow... ).......All the best...... Bill D.
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Bill, I hate to chime in on this anti_Bill, but Matt's fish is actually a "defective" common. The "muddler" trait is created when the nude gene becomes dominant in the second ominly (as in Ssn"N"). The defect CAN occur only when the first ominly in the scaled gene is dominant, second scaled ominly recessive, and the first ominly of the nude gene is recessive, and second ominly of the nude gene is dominant...
Most commons have the SsNn,Ssnn, SSnn, SSNn, or sSnn, but those of the SsnN are suseptible to this recessive trait in commons. BUT, they still are commons...
Mirrors can only exist with both ominlies of the scaled gene being recessive..once either ominly of the scaled gene becomes dominant, it is a common.
Scott,
Problem with that is that you have no idea what gene is dominant in either fish
so how can you say Matt's fish is a "defective" common, when you don't know if its gene pattern is really SsnN? Let me know where you're quoting from I'd like to read more about it..... All the best..... Bill D. -
Just to clarify Bill, a scatter scale common, sometimes called a "muddler" is a common carp with scaling that does not fit the normal symetrical common carp scaling pattern. I would presume it has common carp genetics, but some environmental factor that cuases the irregular scaling. So, it has very litjust be the tle to do with the inability to identify a mirror or fully-scaled mirror. It could above terminology is new to YOU, but not a sign of ignorance by the user of such terminology I don't believe "scatter-scale" or "muddler" are widely used terms, although many on the forum and in the US seem to use them. Pat Kerwin I believe had mentioned some history of the terms in previous posts.
Carp below would qualify as scatter-scaled common aka muddler.
Best,
Matt
Matt,
Hate to disagree with you mate but the fish in your picture is also a Mirror.
Nope, that pattern is not produced by any environmental factor.I would presume it has common carp genetics, but some environmental factor that cuases the irregular scaling.It could be above terminology is new to YOU....Nope once again... I've heard the terms, doesn't alter the fact that neither my fish nor the one in your picture are Common Carp. Mirrors, both of them.... and very nice too
.......... I'm not saying that people are wrong to apply names to a type of fish that may be different for regional or cultural reasons, but that doesn't change what the fish actually IS. "A rose by any other name" ..... is still a mirror
'Nuff said on the subject from me..... you guys can, of course, continue to call them what you want, shoot call 'em "late for dinner", it really doesn't matter and it's certainly not worth arguing about ....
All the best...... Bill D.
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I agree with Matt. I have seen the topic pop up elsewhere and the concensus was a scattered scaled common.
Shawn,
Sorry mate but "scattered scaled common" is term coined by people who don't know the difference between a Common and a Mirror.
Same thing for "muddled" or "mixed" or whatever other terms people come up with because they've never seen a fish like that before !!!!!!!!!!!!!! In our lake the locals call mirror carp "sick fish" because they think that the scale pattern indicates a disease..... doesn't mean they're right though, in fact we know they're not
If it's not a Common it has to be either a Mirror (and that may be a Fully Scaled, Linear, Double Linear, Scattered, etc.), a Leather (no scales at all), a Grass Carp (White Amur), a Ghost (cross between a common and a koi) or (unlikely in the USA) a Crucian. There's no such thing as a "scattered scaled common", that's a Mirror
The fish in question is not a Common Carp..... It's not a Leather Carp, a Ghost Carp, or a Grass Carp...... What it is, is a Mirror Carp. It happens to be close to (or maybe exactly) a fully scaled mirror which is why some people are a little confused
All the best...... Bill D.
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Thought I'd let you guys know that we are, once again, selling Tiger Nut Boilies, Flavours and Glugs (Dips).
We're very pleased with our new Tiger Nut flavour which is an improved version and promises to be a real winner
Flavour is HERE on the Boilie Shop web site. The Glugs are HERE and Boilies may be ordered from HERE.
All the best............ Bill D.
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Scott,
Nice one
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thats great bill just one question when was this little old lady last seen or heard from
Mark,
As if we would
No, I have no idea as to her whereabouts or health. I hope she's well and continuing to make boiled sweets under another name I'm just glad that we were able to pick up the URL My Grandma Eva von Boil has beed handrolling quality blood wurst & sauerkraut boilies since 1912.No she got robbed off her web address! Shame on you all!
Blood wurst & sauerkraut boilies? Hmmmmmm, now there's a thought, Catfish anyone?
All the best...... Bill D.
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Guys,
We FINALLY managed to procure the www.boilieshop.com address. Previously we had to use www.boilieshopusa.com (which still works) as a little old lady in Germany had the domain name that we wanted. Anyway, you can now reach the site using either one......
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Rob,
This fish is DEFINITELY a fully scaled mirror
What's more it it is held correctly and the pose is faultless I might add that the angler's hands look to be superbly shaped and are indicative of a carpist in superb physical condition That's my story and I'm sticking to it
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This is a coincidence
We've been talking to the guys at Foodsource (mostly Ed Rogers) about stocking some of their products, Carp Candies being one of them. I don't know that we'll bother now that I know Paul is going to stock them. I don't think there's a market for two distributors of this stuff to the carp world right now. Interesting that we both got to the same manufacturer through very different channels. MissouCarpee,
Their stuff looks good but at the price of a 20 bait bag I don't see them competing with boilies. Hookbaits only I think, at least that's the way we were looking at them.
All the best..... Bill D.
Rose Hip Boilies
in Commercial Corner
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Guys,
We are almost finished with field trials of our new flavour: Rose Hip. This will be available in Flavour, Glugs, Boilies and Pop-Ups.
Smaller quantities will be available from Resistance Tackle in a couple of weeks...... All the best....... Bill D.