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Ok, I just tied a rig with an oversized line-aligner on a more or less 30 degree inward angle, extending beyond the hook point. Personally I never fished a line-aligner that long, so the following comments are purely based on a "dry-test".
I don't find a major difference in the effect of the hook point actually pricking some meat. As a matter of fact, with, without or with a long line-aligner on a dry test I don't see too much difference. Maybe a slight advantage for rigs with line-aligners (long and short) over a rig without any (line coming out on inside of the hook-eye).
However, for a rig with a long line-aligner to prick itself and dig in, it is absolutely necessary to completely straighten the line-aligner which does lead to a certain amount of pressure, before the hook really sinks in. A short line-aligner allows the weight of the lead to be transferred straight on to the hookpoint. With a long line-aligner, the entire shrinktube needs to be stretched and straightened first before the hook penetrates.
Now, in virgin waters, it probably really does not matter that much. In very heavily fished waters it might make a difference, albeit here we are indeed looking at success stories of Banana-rigs. So at the end of the day, what’s true? Probably that one rig that gives you the most confidence… And for me that happens to be a traditional “straight” line aligner. Until I change my mind…
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Let's do a little handtest (No Scott, not that kind of hand test) and see what happens. Be back in the afternoon..
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Louis,
you're assuming the hookpoint will always be faced downwards when a carp swims away with the bait. I'm assuming that first the line-aligner will be inside the carps' mouth and then be pulled out by the carp moving away. I'm not so sure that the hookpoint will always end up like in you're drawing. The long line aligner might actually force the hook to flip over and be pulled out sideways, away from the lower lip...or am I talking nonsense here?
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Jerome,
One thing I might have done a bit differently when looking for new spots is to pre-scout a potential area. Firstly, with a Google map, then go out on the water (prerferably with a boat, canoe etc) and look for a potential map. Usually on my type of lakes, you wouldn't see any immediate fish activity. So bottom variations are far more important to me. Or some sort of structure (like a bridge, trees, weedbeds etc.) that makes the spot stand out. Perhaps this is the most challenging part of fishing: the ability to "smell" the right spot in huge waters.
And then I would fish that same area for three days and nights straight. I would not move anymore during this period. This way, you're bait will get a chance to do the work but more importantly, you will start to find out which areas are most productive. I have the luck that I can fish with four rods at the same time, which allows me to fish different areas. Always, one or two areas prove to be much more productive than others, even when they are not that far apart. Only by fishing longer periods in the same area will you be able to discover such patterns. I would move two rods into the productive area and keep trying stuff with the other two rods: different areas, perhaps different baits, one rod a few meters outside the main baiting area etc. I keep working the area to get more information.
If not that productive, I would fish another area next time, but again for three days straight. I know not many people have the time to fish this way, and perhaps neither do I, but so far I have been able to convince myself that I just have to keep doing this in order to stay mentally stable in this crazy Mexico....
But well done mate. I love the pics and you got some good ones outof there. Now imagine going back to that same spot and kick some arss for a couple of days in a row. Some monster will come out for sure....
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Breathtaking scenery, great story, nice fish, too bad I wasn't there...
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Ok, here's my thought on it. I usually fish unexplored waters. So basically every encounter a carp has with my rig is its first experience with it. I think it works along the following lines:
1. Fish arrive to the baiting area. They’ll start sucking and blowing as part of a natural process. Not all boilies get blown out. Sometimes the fish just picks up a piece of bait, swims on to the next boilie and picks that one up as well.
2. Sometimes the rig gets blown out. I’m pretty sure that there’s not one truly effective rig do prevent this from happening. Nor do I see it as a problem. Eventually the following will happen:
3. A carp will pick up my boilie, swim away with it, hence tightening the leader.
4. The line-aligner in my case does not extend beyond the hook point; I usually fish with a fairly traditional line-aligner, leading the line to the inside of the hook, but the line-aligner itself is fairly straight (at most slightly bent inwards).
5. If anything, the line-aligner might help slightly to direct the point of the hook to the lower lip or corner of the mouth, where most of my hookups actually take place. Most of the times it’s in the lower corner.
I have a nearly 0 percentage of hookpulls.
Now, in my theory, a long sharply bent line-aligner that extends beyond the hook point might actually block off this hook point, and hence be counter-productive. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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Jonathan,
Your linealigner seems to extend beyond the hookpoint. In my opinion, this would do exactly the oposite of what you want to accomplish with a line-aligner: make the hookpoint penetrate more easily. If the linealigner is that long, it sort of blocks the hookpoint. What's your take on this?
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Neil,
Pack up and start driving. No more wining!
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Most important thing is to fish wherever there is fish to be caught. It sounds pretty obvious but it's often underestimated.
• I have fished lakes that where real easy to fish in springtime; you only needed to move into one particular shallow arm of the lake after the ice was gone and all the big fish would move in “to get busy”. In summer, autumn en winter, the entire shallow arm would be empty and the fish would have moved into deeper water, onto the main lake whilst being almost impossible to catch there.
• Other lakes I have targeted are only fishable, starting in October and lasting barely to early December. But great hauling in those two months…
• On some big rivers, I managed to catch only upper twenties and thirties one year and blank 20 consecutive sessions the next. In the same spot and same time of the year.
In your particular case, probably more than having anything to do with bait, rigs etc, it sounds like the fish are simply not there. Maybe they have moved onto a deeper area of the lake. But for sure they are feeding. In autumn (at least in areas where you have a “winter”) carp usually feed heavily to build up reserves for the winter. Once you find them, with a decent baiting campaign, they are usually real easy to catch. And often you get a shot at some bigger ones. Summers have always been my worst time for catching big fish. Early spring and autumn have always produced much better results for me.
So bottom line: you have to try to find them. Perhaps ask around, see who’s catching where to get a rough idea of the area they’re in. Then find a spot that allows you to fish some deeper waters (up to some 25-30 feet, depending on the local circumstances of course), bait up three days with quality boilies and get into some action! Good luck.
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Hold on, you. First, I caught hundreds of carp at this spot, so my rigs sometimes work... Next, I didn't try your rigs yet, but I will, and I'll record everything, even if they don't get pricked... So if I were you, I would be a little bit more cautious in your assertions...
Ok, now that Mario has been sorted out...
Oh yeah baby! Game on
If you use my standard 4 inch line-alinger rig, with 3 carefully balanced kernels of maize (two kernels, piece of yellow foam, last kernel and then the stopper), you'll have a killer rig. Not even to mention all that fancy stuff we sent you. Perhaps we have to up the bets a bit, what do you say? -
Scott, in that last picture I see that look on your face again we talked about before
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I like this one:
"nada mas didactico que un video.realmente no se si reir o llorar o mejor dedicarme a jugar domino."
"Nothing more enlightening than a video. But I really don't know if I should laugh or cry or perhaps dedicate myself to playing dominoes"
Seems like Jerome made them believe it's really difficult to actually hook a carp. Of course they didn't know Jerome's rigs where just badly made
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Mark,
The basic comments are regarding the extreme caution with which the carp are trying the bait: basically the process of sucking and blowing with which we are all familiar with. There's one guy on there who's sure that fishing with dough, he doesn't have this problem
.And of course there are many compliments on the video as well. Well done Jerome!
Saludos,
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http://pueblaflyanglers.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=93
Jerome, I just discovered that your videos have gotten through to Mexico. Excellent stuff mate. The guys seem very happy with the informative nature of the close ups
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Ok, maybe you're right Scott, that last one is tough to judge due to the absense of any reference objects...
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Ok, I see chumming is not legal. So why don't you go and feed the ducks? The fact that there are no birds around doesn't necessarily mean you're not trying to feed them
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Well, try to bore us with'em then. See if you can
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Mmm,
I have never tried flyfishing in my life. So perhaps I'm on slippery ground here. What I have done a lot in the past however is freelining a piece of bread on the surface. With so many carp tightly packed in a shallow pool, I'm sure you could turn them on to surface feeding with some pieces of bread or dogfood. Why don't you tie some "bread" flies and cast right into the middle of your baited area. I'm sure they'll go for it and it'll look spectacular when they "slurp" that fly right off the surface.
It's like combining two worlds of carpfishing. Don't know if for you guys is sufficiently "legitimate" though
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Quality shot Ninam!
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I can smell it already
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Thanks Jerome,
I also want to stress that this trick with the safety clips should only be used in combination with rocks. Please don't use leads for this! I know it's been done on a large scale in France to get the carp straight to the surface, but I think that is a very selfish way of fishing. Imagine every time you hook into fish, you leave 100-150grams of lead on the bottom
But try it with some rocks and find out for yourselves: after loosing the weight, carp will very often come straight up to the surface!
And Jerome, without a bit of planning and experimenting it wouldn't really be fishing
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Jerome,
Sounds like you need a "French" setup here. Earlier, I posted about using rocks instead of lead together with Korda safety clips. Put the rubber loosely on the clip, only covering on leg instead of both legs of the clip. Put it tight enough though to create a bolt rig. Now, if a carp hooks itself, it will bolt hard as usual but with the difference that it will suddenly loose the resistance of the weight, as the stone will be torn out of the safetyclip. Very often, this has the result that carp will bolt to the surface, hence away from the snags.
In addition, you could install some sort of floater on your line, which would keep the line off the bottom. Works great with floating braided lines.
Most ideally, you would have a boat handy which allows you to engage the fish when you're right on top of it.
The combination of above mentioned measures obviously works best.
Try it and you'll see it works...
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John,
When is the book coming out? Or did I miss it already? Seriously man, so much more refreshing to read about pure emotional fishing than all that commercial cr*p that's being published, especially in Europe. And I don't even flyfish...
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Mmm, I think I lost my heart to Finland. Although I'm far away now, the memories are still vivid. On the quest for virgin carp, together with good friends. I had an excellent time. And the scenery was often stunning. Some day, I'll have to go back...
Rigs galore!
in Beginning Carping
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Jon,
I applied the idea of the long line-aligner to my specific situation, which is using fixed leads. I wasn't analyzing your method of fishing. So as far as I'm concerned I just might be holding the stick at the right end
But no worries, we can talk a bit about your setup as well again. I just want to know what you see as the advantage of the long line-aligner versus the short standard one. The only reason I can see is to create a firm but very late prick, at the lowerlip in order to avoid possibly light-hooking the carp in an other area of the mouth, which would be more likely perhaps with a regular line-aligner. I'm not saying it does not work. I just want to hear what you think is the advantage.
Banana rig is the same as the withy pool rig.