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On 4/30/2021 at 2:09 PM, (TN) Cannonball said:
That is a long dissertation. Good luck with carp angling in North Dakota. I have posted on the FB page that I have never seen a carp eating fish eggs, even where there was a good population of carp. Getting ready to catch some carp on the fly here in SE TN. Tight lines!!
I have seen a massive carp appear to be feeding on the eggs of smaller carp before. When I was a child, I lived in a small town in Illinois called Virden. In this town, there was a sportsmen club, which owned two lakes connected by a large tile. The name of the total body of water was the Burlington Reservoir, but locally it was called the Tank. The one side was not kept and we called it the Old Tank. The other side was stocked and even drudged at one time, and we called this side the New Tank. A levee separated the two small lakes and you could walk between them and fish both bodies of water. My group of childhood friends and I mostly fished for catfish, but that was because we did not know how to fish for carp. Channel Catfish were stocked into the New Tank and a few swam over to the Old Tank through the tile, so we caught catfish on both sides. We also observed carp flopping and spawning. Most of the carp got into the lake from a creek that sometimes connects to the Old Tank through a ditch, but only when there was flooding conditions. It is believed that most of the carp in the Old and New Tank came from that creek. These carp average 2 to 8 pounds with a few individuals getting up to 15 pounds. There was also this one massive carp that spent most of its time on the Old Tank, but occasionally would show up around some cattails on the New Tank side. This carp was over four feet long and was at least three feet wide. Often, we would see the fish with its back out of the water on the Old Tank side and it dorsal fin was drooped over like the Killer Whale in "Free Willie" the movie. For some reason, we nick named the carp Big Moe even though it probably was a female. As far as I could find out the carp had gotten into the lake from a Lake Michigan stocking that occurred some years before I became a member. Some of the members liked to fish for carp and wanted to put bigger carp into the lake so the club purchased one load from a guy who caught them from Lake Michigan and supplied many Illinois pay lakes. A few years later, a new president took power at the club and he was a bass angler. This new president wanted to change the club to a bass club and the lakes into bass fishing tournament lakes so he convinced the board of trusties that the carp should be killed. He rounded up his buddies and they drove their boats around the lake during the carp spawn and killed all the carp they could by shooting them until the Sheriff showed up and forced them to stop. Well, this one carp was the only surviving member of that stocking, so it was much bigger than anything else in the two lakes according to the Old Timers (as we called the older more senior Tank members). We estimated the carp to be about 60 pounds, but nobody really knows because nobody ever caught it. One winter a mass of flesh floated up on the Old Tank and we all assumed that must have been Big Moe because we never saw the fish again. When I would watch the carp during the spawn, Big Moe would cruse around the Old Tank bumping into the other smaller carp as if trying to get them to stop spawning. It also appeared to me that she was feeding on their eggs as they released them. She never seemed to spawn herself, but would just swim around being a bully. I cannot say for sure she was eating eggs, but it did look that way.
As far as the scientific papers are concern, I do remember reading them, but rather they were actually scientific works from a recognized scientific journal or not, I could not say. It was sometime ago, back when the old American Carp Society first got started. I think I followed a link on their website, but it could have also been in an old NACA or on the CAG forum. However, recently I heard a famous Youtuber make the same statements and suggesting these UK studies actually do exists, but I have not read anything recently myself to verify anything. Just now, I did a Google search, but I could not find the articles I read, but I did find this link that is interesting, but not a scientific journal paper.
http://www.carp-fishing-tactics.com/science-carp-reproduction.html
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On 4/30/2021 at 6:10 PM, (CT) Savayman said:
HI Paul, Welcome back and thanks for sharing the issues you face in ND. I've been sharing the NACA Magazine with local Fisheries folk and it seems to help start positive conversations about the popularity of carp angling and the methods we use to catch them. Here's the link if you don't already have it:
https://issuu.com/northamericancarpangler
I certainly can print one out and give it a try.
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On 4/30/2021 at 7:38 PM, Jerome said:
Hey Paul,
Next spring, I plan to revive the trip I had planned for spring 2019 and come to visit you. The extreme interpretation of no-chumming by local ND officials seems unique to this state, I don't think other no-chumming states would prevent you from using method balls or PVA bags. But then, I prefer to NOT ask overly precise questions in this respect when I travel around...
Just let me know if you are in the State and I will show you some of my new honey holes. I asked a lot of questions because there was a rule that stated that a carp could not be released after it was harvested. I had to find out what exactly that meant because some of the anglers I spoke to thought it meant that you had to keep the carp. I spoke to the Game and Fish department and some local guys at a Spring Show and got the correct interpretation. Basically, they were not thinking about people catching carp on rod and reel because most people who target carp use a bow. They did not want bow anglers putting carp they put an arrow through back in the water. I would think that would be they also do not common sense, but apparently not. Basically, you can catch and release carp if you return them where you caught them. They just do not want people moving them from one body of water to another. Even transporting carp from one body of water to a private body of water is not legal.
I look forward to your visit to North Dakota. I certainly have some better spots to fish and I hope to find even better spots. ?
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I started my Facebook group last year, but we are starting to grow despite the pandemic. Now that I am officially part of CAG again, I will be promoting CAG memberships, not just talking about CAG with my Facebook group members. Here in North Dakota we face many more obstacles than in other states. Chumming is not allowed and the rules are not clear on exactly what is considered chumming and they have left the interpretation of the laws up to their officers, which is never a good idea. It is difficult enough to get clear rulings from centralized officials for fishing regulations, but having to deal with each individual officer is going to be very difficult and frustrating at times. Attempting to find ways of attracting carp and still catching decent numbers of fish without breaking the chumming regulation is the most difficult task when fishing for carp in North Dakota. If I can figure out who to talk to in the legislation, I will try and find a way to work out a compromise to allow light chumming with certain environmentally safe carp baits, but everything is against me and that goal is probably not practical. Common carp are considered an invasive species in North Dakota because they tend to very heavily populate venues and thus are thought to put a strain on the food sources for Indigenous fish species. Unchecked bow fishing has increased carp numbers because larger females who help control the carp population are being targeted and killed first resulting in more smaller carp replacing the bigger carp. Bow anglers think they are wiping out carp, but all they are really doing is changing the venue's carp biomass from healthy size ranges to all small fish that are harder to hit with an arrow. Scientific evidence of large female carp consuming their rivals eggs has been ignored here in the USA because the studies were done in the UK and the funds directing the studies here in the USA are more aimed at removing all Naturalized Fish Species and labeling them all Invasive. Some Fishery Biologist who promote bow fishing have stated scientific studies that point out that the carp are disrupting certain aquatic plants, replacing certain indigenous sucker species that occupy similar niches, and reproduce in large numbers thus putting a strain on food supplies in certain bodies of water, but many of these studies are only true in very small segments of venues or in only a few venues and not proof that common carp are environmentally destructive. The promotion of bow fishing is the biggest issue for the lack of larger fish in North Dakota and the increase numbers of smaller fish in many of the lakes that contain carp. There is also an ongoing war to remove carp from smaller lakes and streams and keep them out. Trout, Walley, and Bass are the primary fish species bringing revenue to the North Dakota through tourism and carp do not attract money so there is no reason, except maybe one, to keep them when many organizations here want them destroyed. The one being the fact that common carp eat Zebra Mussels and can help stop this environmentally destructive mussel species from infecting North Dakota waters, but many Fishery Biologist are either unaware of this or refuse to acknowledge it as money being given to their programs is sometimes coming from organizations that want carp eradicated. Right now my only goal is to help promote carp fishing within North Dakota and I hope that our numbers will grow large enough that we will have a voice and can get some changes made to the laws including some bow angling regulations that do not allow hunters to target common carp over 20 pounds. I am also hoping to find someone who can rewrite the chumming regulations to allow for some light chumming such as using the method feeder. I have already been told that the method idea would be considered chumming because the bait is molded around the lead instead of the hook and even putting the hook into the mold is not enough to change the ruling. For that reason, we are using the Pay Laker idea of molding the ground bait around the hook-bait, which the head of North Dakota Game and Fish said would be legal, but he also said it is officially up to my local Game and Fish officer at each venue to determine what is chumming and what is not. PVA bags can be used to hold the pack bait in place around the hook-bait, but using them to put free offerings into the water has been frowned on by officials. They feel this would violate the chumming regulations even if the bag is attached to the hook because the bait is free once the bag melts. Attempting to find baits that attract carp from long distances and numbers of fish into an area seems to be the main focus along with fishing only areas where carp are already actively feeding on natural food sources. Although we have still managed to catch numbers of carp at times, the wait time is far more than it would be if chumming was permitted. Because of a foot injury I had in 2019 and 2020, I was unable to walk far thus limiting my carp fishing success. Being able to walk again and stalk big carp should help increase my fishing success in 2021. Those interested in fly fishing for carp will find that North Dakota is a perfect place to live because the water is often clear. The only drawback being the carp are easily spooked because of bow fishing activity. Feeding the birds is not permitted and heavily enforced in some areas, so finding those opportunities is also difficult. Getting carp to take bread on the surface is much easier when you can chum or when people are feeding the birds. So, you can see we have a lot to overcome to be successful at carp fishing in North Dakota, but I look forwards to the 2021 season and hope to have more success especially catching larger carp. Anyone planning to fish for carp in North Dakota can contact me, and I will help you find carp to catch. We are still searching for places to catch really big fish, but I have some new venue options this year that could prove fruitful. Anyone who is a CAG member living in North Dakota is welcome to also join my Facebook Group. Most of our activity will be conducted through that group to avoid bow anglers getting information on where we are catching the biggest carp in North Dakota. If we find a good venue, we hope to keep it full of monster carp and not open it up to being targeted by the many bow anglers who kill unreal numbers of fish. Paul Scott (Paul Zucca-Scott on Facebook). North Dakota Carp Fishing Group on Facebook.
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Is there anyone living in North Dakota that fishes for carp? How about Smallmouth Buffalo?
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You can use two rods on most bodies of water in North Dakota, but check lake regulations as some have special rules.
You can catch-and-release carp back into the body of water from where you caught them according to the email I received from the main office. However, the regulations state that if the carp is harvested, it cannot be released. According to the email I got back, the rule is aimed at bow anglers because they were shooting carp with arrows and then releasing them back into the water to die. However, you should probably talk with your local game and fish officer or contact the ND DNR office to get in writing that you can catch-and-release carp. Some game and fish officers might interpret the law differently, so having permission from the main DNR office in writing would help your case if you have a dispute.
The method is probably illegal because the dough bait is molded around the lead and not the hook. I explained that we normally shove the hook into the method ball, but this might not be enough according to the main office. The main office said they have not yet made a ruling, but were leaning toward making it illegal. For now they said they would leave it up to the local Game and Fish officer to decide for their area. However, the American Pay Lake groundbait idea is legal. Although we make method and groundbait pretty much the same way, it is how it is used that is the big difference. Groundbait is molded around the hook and not the lead, so that complies with ND Fishing Regulations, which allows you to mold bait around a lure or a hook.
Using PVA string and bags are also legal as long as the hook is either in the bag or the bag or string is connected to the hook. This is the same idea as molding dough bait around the hook. The bait must be on the hook or around the hook to be legal.
I would suggest contact the DNR main office in North Dakota and getting the rules confirmed in writing before fishing for carp. This way if there is a dispute with you and a Game and Fish officers you have some leverage to support your case. If you are stopped and threatened with a ticket or worse, just remain calm. Speak nicely and softly with the officer. Show your written permission. Give him a chance to digest it and make his decision. If he says no, then leave. It is probably best if you go and talk to them before you have a dispute. Show them your written permission from the main office and let them know where you will be fishing. Be polite and nice no matter how they respond. You can complain to the main office if there is a problem or if they act rudely. If you cannot get permission to fish the way I have been told is legal, then maybe try going someplace else in North Dakota. I have never had an issue with any DNR officer ever, but you never know. If they know you and have spoken with you, they are more likely to be friendly with you.
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I contacted the North Dakota DNR and this is what they had to say. You can release carp back into the water (catch and release), but you must take care not to harm the fish and do it right away. You are not permitted to keep the fish and then let it go later or move it to a different venue and then let it go. You must weigh it, photo it, and get it back into the water quickly from where it was caught. The North Dakota DNR does not want dead fish in the water that could cause bacteria growth and reduction of oxygen levels or carp transplanted into lakes where they are not found. The harvest rule in the fishing regulations is for bow anglers and spear anglers. Apparently, some people would shoot the fish with an arrow and then let it go free. Seems like a lack of common sense resulted in this law. The second part of my conversation had to do with chumming and chumming alternatives. No chumming is allowed in North Dakota; however, you can use a few alternatives. The use of a PVA bag or string is permitted if the bag or string is connected directly to the hook bait. The method is permitted too as long as you use the pay laker version. The European method idea is to mold the ground bait around the weight/lead, but the American pay laker idea is to put it around the hook bait. You can use the American pay laker version because the bait is being molded around the hook bait. It is illegal to put the method around the weight in North Dakota as this violates the rule that states it must be molded around a hook or lure. I hope that helps anyone fishing for carp in North Dakota. I started a Facebook group on YouTube for anyone interested in fishing for carp in North Dakota. North Dakota Carp Fishing Group on Facebook.
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Are there any Carp Fishing Tournaments or carp fishing events near North Dakota in the state or in any of the adjacent states? I live in Minot, ND.
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Another thing to keep in mind though is that the North Dakota regulations define common carp and silver carp as None-game Class III Aquatic Nuisance Species (ANS), which "can be kept for consumption if legally harvested." but "cannot be released alive back into a waterbody after they have been harvested." So apparently, catch and release carp fishing is illegal in North Dakota.
I was fishing the Garrison Dam in ND, with worms and was catching suckers. A game and Fish officer came up to me and asked for my Fishing License. I asked him, "What does Harvest mean for carp fishing/" He said the rule was written that way for bowfishing. They did not want bowfishing hunters to put the carp they shot with an arrow back into the water. He said that for catch-and-release I could release them back into the body of water where the fish were caught, but could not transport them alive. They just do not want carp getting into other bodies of water where there are no carp. I am still going to send a message to the ND DNR and ask again although they never responded back last time. I will let everyone know if they say something different. If they do not respond, I plan to go to one of the DNR fishing shows and ask someone directly at one of their booths. There are lots of carp at Garrison Dam, so I think it will make a great spot to fish in 2020.
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I was having trouble finding exact rules for carp fishing in North Dakota. It says there is no chumming unless the bait is attached to the hook. It does not say rather I can use sweet corn or field corn for bait or not. I am living in Minot, ND, and I wonder if anyone has any good carp fishing spots close to me.
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Will there be a tournament in 2018?
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Kirt should post on the Calendar... Missouri does not show any events at this time.
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Put me on the list, I will be able to make this one. Thanks.
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Is anyone hosting any tournaments or fish-ins in Missouri this year?
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I am in Illinois, but only an hour from St. Louis. If you guys in MO start having tournaments or Fish-Ins, let me know. Contact me on Facebook as Paul Zucca-Scott.
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Yes, it works for any animal, but it does not mean they will not start flopping again or try to get away on you. Some guys say you can pinch the lower lip, but I am more concern about not touching the gills, and supporting the internal organs as best as possible. Really big fish probably should not be lifted at all to be honest because air cannot support the internal organs like water can. Gravity is different for a fish out of water. Also, keeping something soft under the fish while you hold it is a must. Last, be sure not to touch the gills because this can damage them or cause disease. But, yes, it does seem to help.
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There was always the issue with rowers there. Probably someone complained about the carp anglers' lines being in the way or something.
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Hotel is paid!!! I am coming for sure.
I am assuming we will be meeting in the parking lot where we normally meet. If anything changes, please call me. I will send you my number Larry. Thanks. Paul Scott
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Sign me up too! Paul Scott!
Just checking... This is a one day event, right? Anything counts, not just carp...Is that right?
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Our heart goes out to Sam's family. Laura and I really liked him, and he will be greatly missed.
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I would like to be put on the list to fish this tournament. Paul Scott
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Good ideas, I will make sure to brush up on the current World and IL State Records data.
I tried this in Springfield, but only had a few people stop by for the official event, so this is going to be less formal. At that time, I was sponsored by Marukyu Baits (Japan), and they paid for the free bait. This time, I am going to give away some stuff I purchased myself for the prize. This lake is full of carp, and we did see some high teens flopping when we visited it. At the time, I did not have my fishing gear with me. I have heard stories of some real beast in the 3,000 year old natural lake. My understanding is that everything and anything that exists in the river also exists in the lake. The lake is located just East of St. Louis. There is camping right on the lake, but I am not sure you can fish the lake after dark except maybe from the camping area. There is probably motels and hotels near by too. Might be worth the trip, and then again it might not. Well, we will be out there Saturday the 23rd, if anyone is interested.
Paul Scott
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Basically, if you go to the Central Illinois Fishing Club page on Facebook, you can see more details.
Paul Scott and Dr. Laura Zucca-Scott will be hosting a carp clinic/Fish-in on Horseshoe Lake. I will be posting the exact location for this event sometime next week. We have never fished this lake before, so we will be scouting the lake for possible locations to fish next weekend. Here is the schedule:
May 22nd (Friday), Laura and I will scouting the lake for possible places to fish. We probably will also be fishing and chumming.
May 23rd (Saturday), Laura and I will be hosting the Clinic/Fish-in at Horseshoe Lake from 10:00 am to 6:00 pm.
This is not an official event, but rather just an invite to anyone interested in coming out and fishing the lake with us. At 10 am, I will be making a method bait in front of everyone, so everyone can see how it is made. After the bait is made, I will be giving a brief seminar on carp basics 101 of the tackle and equipment that I am using. Anyone who wants to take part in the seminar is welcome to speak or do some show and tell; I do not mind sharing the spotlight. We have not had much success with these things, so I am not expecting much of a turnout.
There will be a bait prize package for the angler who catches the largest carp, buffalo, grass carp, or Asian carp on the day.
On the CIFG Facebook page, I have asked anglers to bring basic rod and reel combos, dough baits, four cans of corn, rod holders, scales, cameras, and something padded to place their carp on instead of the ground.
I am not going to be promoting anything, but carp fishing, so if someone wanted to come join us and try to sign up new members for CAG that would be fine. This is in no way an official event of any kind. I will tell you what I have told the anglers on the Central Illinois Fishing Group Facebook page, you fish and travel at your own risk. Laura and I are simply inviting anglers out to fish with us, but we are not responsible for any mishaps you might encounter. Hopefully, God willing, there will be no problems for anyone.
So, this is basically an invite to come fish with us rather you call it a Clinic, Fish-in, or just a day of fishing is up to you.
Silurus_glanis-Paul Scott ND
in 2022 CAG SPRING BIG 4 RESULTS Section
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(ND, May 23, 16 Lbs 3 oz)
Where: Lake Nelson near Center, North Dakota
Type: Common Carp
When: May 23, 2022 at 2:40 PM
Weight: 16 Lbs 3 oz
Weather: 56 F with cloudy skies with wind out of East at 10 MPH (No precipitation)
Baits: Strawberry oats in PVA bag slid to hook bait. Hook Bait: Sweet corn with single plastic corn to hold it on the hair.
Hook: Size 4 short shank hook on 8" hook length