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I gave up sweet-corn years ago and I don't use boilies or hair rigs, but I sometimes use a large 35-40 mm special bait if I see any 30-40 lb hawgs about. Maize is my biggest carp killer bait, but bread gives it the magic touch. I never leave home without it, catches everthing.
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bri,
Well, do you know how to use the personal message (PM) function on CAG forum?
PM Big Carphuna, he has tons of 50's although no North American 50 caught on rod and reel. Hasn't happened yet!
Phone
Phone, has happend. Somewhere there's a pic of Globetrotter with a 51.5 from the St Larry. He wasn't a CAG member at the time so it isn't a CAG record.
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If you don't "strike" the fish - how do you fall out of the boat?
Phone
Here you are Phone
Two Minnesotans are sitting in a boat.
So Ole asks Sven, "Why do scuba divers always fall
backwards off 'der boats?"
To which Sven replies,"Vell, you know, if dey fell forwards
they'd still be in 'da boat!"
There ya have it...
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I've fished running rigs for cats forever, but without any stopper. I don't see the need. If you fish a running rig, why not fish it on a semi-tight line? Once the fish bolts he isn't likely to lose the hook before he hits a lot of pressure.
I never set the hook or cross there eyes, I think you improve your chances of losing a fish by doing so. If you have a sharp hook, which is something you should know, it takes no more than tightening up on the fish and letting him pull the hook in. Doing it this way you avoid any tears that allow the hook to fall out if any slack occurs.
This young man gives the best answer yet, he knows what it's all about.
Fishing with a tight line as most carpers do, effectively doesn't require a strike, just lift the rod and engage the preset drag. Fish on!
I can't remember when I last struck into a fish except in float-fishing.
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One thought about the break offs, i see a lot of people using drilled or 'in line' egg sinkers, they allways look like theyre using 30lb line so they wouldnt suffer the breaks, but if your using lighter line what is the condition of the edge of the hole thru the lead,as the ones in the shops dont have line friendly plastic inserts, of course this is assuming your using this type of sinker.
BB
Why the concern for a light line thru the lead? Anglers have done that since forever. If anything, I would suggest that thin lines might cut into a plastic sleeve and jam. Whereas lead would probably just groove if anything, it has no tensile strength to spring back and lock a line. The line would merely remove material or splay it out.
In my lifetime experience with sliding lead weights, I noticed the line sometimes wore the ends of the holes to a bell shape, and I've never ever experienced a line jam.
In conclusion I would put my money on the fault of the angler not their tackle. How many check their end tackle after every retrieve?
No snickers please!
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T-,
In the old days here in the US bank fishermen used inline sinkers (leads). If you wanted your rig "semi-fixed" you used a bead on your mainline with a small stick rather loosely pinning the bead against the line. If you wanted an inline sinker stationairy you would sew the bead into the mainline. You know, put the mainline through the bead hole 3 or 4 times and it would cinch down on itself. Then, simply sew a bead to distinguish your hooklength and tie a hook on the terminal end of the mainline (one knot in the entire set-up. Of the bazillion fish I've caught this way I've never seen the mainline break at either bead.
A fixed "fixed rig" incorporated the use of a snap swivel and "bell sinker". It went something like this - - - mainline - snap swivel - "bell sinker" to the swivel - snelled hooklength to the snap swivel. (As a matter of preferrence, I used the inline sinker both fixed and semi-fixed).
Nowdays, I use an appropriate size splitshot to define the hooklength and a "packbait" over my sidehooked bait for casting distance. I say appropriate size splitshot. I only define the hooklength when using a pop-up. Some pop-ups require slightly larger splitshot than other.
Today, more than ever, modern styles of carp fishing dictate packbaits and pva bags can and should suffice and replace sinkers (leads). I believe the "bolt" affect/effect is a misnomer. Of course, sinkers (leads) are necessary to hold the bottom in moving water - but even then not as much as one might think if you are using a sinking mainline. The Missouri River has a strong 7mph current. I still can freeline "a spot". I just have to make a more intelligent cast.
I believe carp fishermen use weights because carp fishermen yesterday used weights. The "hooking" and the "pricking" are two seperate functions. It is the advent of the snagging hair rig and hook presentation that has improved "catch rates". Carp are so soft mouth that once pricked they are hooked or will bolt from the area. No amount of weight will change that. Further, the depth of the ultimate penetration by the hook is NOT determined by the terminal end weight the fish is draging around - that weight is now actually counterproductive.
Phone,
Most carp anglers would consider me a "Noddy", nothing about me looks carpy save 2 crappy looking alarms.
I only use simple running rigs, I don't use bolt or semi-bolt rigs, and I don't use much weight over 1.5 ozs, never found it necessary. I have a baiting system that pricks at the hook end not the weight, that's just to get the bait out and I get blinding runs without all the gizmos on my line.
I don't like the sound of your 4 turned bead stop. If I wanted a semi-fixed inline weight, I'd use a piece of model aircraft fuel tube and a cocktail stick, good stuff for all kinds of scenarios.
I agree with you that most carp anglers blindly copy or follow a trend these days in tackle & methods, 'coz the days of innovation are long gone. Which is okay to a point, it's nice to be able to order stuff we think we should have, even if we don't know the mechanics of how or why things work, plus all the goodies look trendy & efficient in use, regardless of spending days camped out for a bite. Not my style, I like to go home for lunch and sleep in a nice bed at night.
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rachael, i am actually going to be using this a bit this year, i believe korda videos called it a shocka rig, i have tied two poles up with this set up and i really like the concept.
Hey King
I had a private smile when I read this. You & others probably wouldn't know, but this so called "shocka trick" has been around for generations, at least in Europe. I used it myself in the 60's. It was simply done with a BB shot behind the sliding lead. I remember this practice was considered "unsporting" and banned from use on some club waters in UK. But remember, this was before the big shift to carp fishing where we use any "cheating methods" as per normal.
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Hm ok thanks all- the WI DNR has lake maps with depths and such...most of them are from the 60s.. But oh well
JDP
You are very lucky. Those 60's lake maps are called "contour maps". They give a clear view of all the relevant depths throughout the lakes. Buy or borrow them 'coz they're the best thing to have for your reconnaissance. Ordinance survey maps are also excellent tools to have. If your DNR doesn't have them you can borrow them from your library, get the largest scale possible.
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(LOL) Well, uuuuhhhh? OK. You must either be a scientist or a math guy. Only the US and British use avoirdupois units rather than metrics. On top of that, we do a lot of "rounding". You know, that is exactly how we spent $50 billion and missed Mars by a zillion miles? I really would like to see our school kids using metrics but I am W A Y to old to start learning now. I stand corrected (I think?).
Phone
Just messing with ya Phone, it's all about formulas
F to C = F minus 32 div by 9 x 5
C to F = C x 9 div by 5 + 32
I'm actually poor at maths, all I do is remember a few C's like, 4 = 40, 10 = 50, 16 = 61, 21 = 70, the bits in between are easily "rounded".
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Chi,
I forgot. Snagging is legal in IL. Was he using a 12/0 trebles and 3 oz. leads?
Ohh, I also forgot to tell you. 39 degrees is the COLDEST fresh water can get on the bottom of any venue with a depth of 10 foot or more. Did you know that?
Phone
Correction Phone, it's 39.2f or 4c
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Phone
I get a kick from some of your scientific and knowledgeable replies. I too subscribe to the theory, "forget carp fishing below 50f" in lakes. However, I'm not entirely convinced it applies in some rivers. On a snow-melt river in California, I've caught carp at least 3 times down to 43f, once on a CAG FFF, documented at 45f. Ironically these fish have mostly been around high teens to 25 lbs.
I theorize, during winter rivers are often swollen and fish might need to replace lost energy occasionally. Plus, because temps in running water are mainly constant throughout, their feeding areas are open to them. Not so in lakes, due to stratification.
Any thoughts on this?
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What a shame Cubzz is in Shasta right now, I have a perfect cure for his Mrs. I agree with Cubzzz Mrs, soaked maize s-t-i-n-k-s to hi heaven!
Back in the 60's Fred J Taylor returned to UK from Carolina and wrote in the Angling Times advocating soaking maize 3-4 days in the sun. Like an idiot I tried this, but ohhhhhh what a foul stink! I had to use those yellow Marigold kitchen gloves for chumming or the hands stunk for a whole frikkin week & nobody came close, 'n the wife didn't go fer the stink in the yard.
That was back then, but no more, knowing there are 10 ways to solve all problems, I took the short cut and got the perfect tool, A LARGE PRESSURE COOKER! 1/2 gallon of maize takes 30 mins, just bag & freeze. Make all you want in the kitchen, no smell, a freezer full of bait and the Mrs is happy. For all you's doing long stints, take the cooker, stove and dry corn with you and cook right on the bank, couldn't be simpler ennit?
Do yerselves a favor, nip down to WallyWorld 'n git a P cooker, ya'll be glad yer did.
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Any weights on those??
Or are they just classified as "huge" or "really big"??
Great fish!!
I would guess 130 - 150 lbs, wels fishing has become reeeeeeal popular in the last 10 years.
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I heard he's in Trinidad sea fishing, lucky bugger.
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Terry
I hear you on the untapped potential of that place, I haven't been able to get up there this year at all to fish due to the motorcycle crash I took last October, but I have spent a bit of time up there just for the crack with the So Cal boys.
Saw plenty of fish, but none in the class that we had in the years previous, plus the weed came fairly early this year and that 'catching window' was pretty small (About 5 weeks I think).
I now have a bait boat and a proper boat with engine thanks to Tim B, so that venue in particular will be bust wide open next year with some luck, (baits will be placed in places that have never seen baits before) along with a few others venues I have earmarked for the boat.
Real sorry to hear about your back trouble, I know from experience it is no fun at all, I ruptured a disc back in the military days jumping out of moving transport
Fortunately I got it fixed and have really never had any problems since, the best thing I did after the surgery was build a lot of muscle around the site of the injury, it supports it much better (or did before I became this fat ba$tid, when I moved over to the land of plenty burgers!!!) Get well soon mate!Thanks for the kind words about the business, it has been a struggle sometimes overcoming some of the crappy petty vindictive stuff, but it has certainly opened my eyes to the whole carp fishing game and some of the wannabe players over here
It has made me a much stronger individual too, not that I needed that , but I now see a lot of things differently to the days before I started it all. Running a business here in the States is wayyyyyyy different to doing it in the UK.....I have done both, successfully (I actually run 3 different business here in the US) and there are so many things that differ between the two countries.Say Hello to Felicia from myself and Carol, and I will see you guys on the bank somewhere I hope.
Karl
P.S. Yeah I did hear about Keiths accident.
Karl mate, thanks for the well wishes.
I had a shot in the old lumbar yesterday. Feeling a lot better today, at last standing up-right and walking without feeling those electric shock pains in the legs. Man was that agony, it was wearing the old muscles out! Y'know I might be an old fart, but I've never had an illness or had anything go wrong with the body (except falling over that damn fire pit at Clearlake) in my whole life. The disc thingy was a complete surprise as it wasn't caused thru injury, just wear & tear. Must be from carrying all that fishing gear about for 47 years. Gotta get me one o' them electric runabouts. Just kidding, will always be in the boat from now on. Yeah boats, I hope you didn't get one o' them party pontoons, course they wouldn't be a bad choice in the rain.
'coz I'm now tucked away in Arkieland, I didn't hear about you and the bike thingy. I hope it wasn't too serious, especially after your shoulder incident at Clearlake. I sold mine years ago in Cali 'coz I didn't want to die on the roads, the drivers out there don't see bikes, and I need these old scotches to go fishing. I'm planning on dying in my sleep, like my old grand-daddy did, or better still fighting a biggie off the back o' the boat.
I gotta say I never found much difference in business between US & UK. Maybe 'coz Ive never had a job since I was 18 and always been self employed. I mean, how else can man go fishing whenever he wants?
I know you probably won't be going to "the lake" this side of winter, but if you want to my slant on where the 50's are, and we seen 'em, PM me.
Luv to you & Carol. Tel & Fel the Arkies
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just wondering if the 20+ pound carp that are known to be in a lake need or just prefer to have deep water nearby?
Obviously, this is an escape route if danger appears but I would like to know from those who've caught 20-30 pound carp if the proximity of deep water was ALWAYS an issue or a bonus.
Second question- should I be casting into the deeper water or the shallows near it? This would aid me in fishing a brand new lake (to me- NOT newly constructed) of considerable size and it's a manmade reservoir that's fairly featureless but has big carp mirrors included.
thanks for you comments in advance.
Steve
Fishead
Just re-read this and had other thoughts: I don't get your rational. If your new venue is featureless, why are you concerned with features that aren't there? Surely if it's void of any drop-offs save that of the difference from the shore to whatever depth is found, and fish are there, where's the problem, and doesn't this answer your second question?
Maybe you should be more concerned of where the fish feed, whether it be in shallows or the deeper areas. What difference can it make where they are when finding them is the ultimate 1st rule in fishing?
Just a thought.
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Thanks T
I think your secret carp are safe from me. For some reason I always come over all nauseous whenever I go within 30 miles of LAX.
.........plus my dearly-beloved (from No Cal) would undoubtedly divorce me at the first hint of a suggestion that we relocate there!
Hey Red
It's not my secret any more, I just don't want to found in the river wearing them concrete shoes if yer gets me drift.
I agree with the wife about LA, but No Cal isn't much better. That's why I moved to Arkieland, I like the geography, tornadoes, the good 'ol boys, and the fishing ain't bad either. Y'all are better off where y'are.
I'll give y'all the nod when I gets me 2nd 50
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I know where you mean!!!!!! My lips are sealed Terry
Good to see you around mate
Thanks Karl.
I truly miss that place and envy the guys fishing there. I often wonder if anyone of them have tapped into the 40's. Did anyone besides you get any 40's out of your local lake?
I haven't been out since early spring, I bought a boat a while back but not fit enough to use it. Got a spinal disc pooching out on the sciatica nerve giving me hell, no fishing, no work. Had a shot in the spine today, just hoping for some relief to get out and catch a few, maybe even get out on the boat. Can't wait to cast a float off the back of it.
Glad to see your business has taken off and doing well. All the best, Terry & Felicia.
PS did you know Keith T got injured in a car accident?
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Pictures please. I think I may be moving to Arkansas!
Iain
Not Arkansas! I'm new here and don't know where they are yet, but I'm looking. I lived in California for 20 years. I can't reveal the lake, I'm sworn to secrecy, but it was in the LA area. I had 'em to 40, my mate had the best @ 47.5, he lived 1/2 hr drive from the lake, while I had a 6 hr drive. That was okay, he'd give me a bell when they were feeding, and I'd go camp there for a week and never ever blanked over 10 years.
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Lurch
They jump to let you know they're there. You need to put salt on their tails to catch 'em!
But really, nobody knows why fish jump, even scientists don't know. It's just one of those mysteries that's been around forever. When you think about it, most fish jump for some reason or another. I was sturgeon fishing the Sacramento Delta in California and they were jumping all round the boat, some were 100's of pounds. So what makes sturgeon jump?
When carp jump we know where they are. Isn't the first golden rule of fishing, find the fish?
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I used to fish a 200 acre lake where all 40 acres at one end of it was a constant 8 ft deep. We had lots of 30-47 pounders from this area from February to June before they migrated to other areas with a more varied depth, but they were very elusive in these deeper parts.
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Hey Neil
Would it be quicker for me to drive over to get mine?
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Got mine a week or two ago, but haven't been around here for a while, so I'm a bit late with congrats to all concerned who made the difference. Very impressive lads, and what a difference those glossy pages make!
Back in '95 when I first joined CAG, the intention was for NACA to develop into a professional looking mag. Well it took a while, but we've finally arrived with a great job. Let's all help to keep it that way.
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Nice one, I like eels, haven't had one since leaving Europe. They're lovely jellied or pckled, hope I can find some now Ilive in the great south.
are boilies over rated???
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You gonna let us all know how to par-boil them wheaties?