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OMG Its just $20.00, Or maybe a donation, It can only make CAG abetter place to be and maybe we will have the money oneday for a color mag.
End of the day they are not demanding money, If you got somthing out of the forum or met some great folks and new friends because of the forum, Is It to much to ask to give alittle back to who made It happen for you?.
Actually Fitz, I havn't heard anyone really complain about a measly $20. You're not listening to what they really are saying--or maybe trying to say.
CAG isn't everything to everybody. There's no doubt that the people in charge have worked hard to do everything possible to improve the place.
Bottom line is that there's no way that they can make everybody happy. Some of the "improvements" may not mean a thing to some members. Thats just a fact. Maybe those members are happy with how things are and see the planned "improvements" as a waste of money. Who knows.
Bottom line is that if a thread like this is allowed to run, then all members should be allowed to speak their mind without having to hear bull#### about being tight wads. It's not the freakin $20. It's the fact that for $20, a member should have a say-so, without having to endure a bunch of horse #### because they expressed an opinion that didn't meet the requirments of the so called party line.
JMHO
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Pat,
I was thinking more like CAG should pay me $20 to have to read this BS....
The problem is that people just are not understanding what Mark is asking for.
Phil
The Rodmaker
Exactly. But thats because there's 8 pages of bologna between where Mark started, and where we're at now.
This is a classic case of a thread that should have been an announcememnt--and then closed to debate.
Reason---Most CAGer's can't handle debate without assuming that someone is looking for trouble, or using the debate as a way to score brownie points by spouting off praises of CAG.
Bottom line is that most of us in the fray are already members, so most of the arguments about "value" are moot.
Mark mentioned the phrase "spreading the gospil", and mentioned the need to continualy increase th bottom line, or something like that.
I'm sure that many members would agree with him 100%. I'm also sure that many members are carp atheist and don't believe in "the gospil" of carp. I don't. It's just another fish that I enjoy catching. Nothing more or nothing less. That doesn't necessarly make us "BAD" members. In a way maybe we're the BEST members, because we're happy with the status quo.
In other News:
Mark--Thanks for the stuff---I made myself sick with it last night. Great stuff when added to a gift from another CAG member.
Lets make a few more wagers.In the meantime---Kill this thread. Wait a few weeks, and then try again. It's a simple subject that can get very complicated. Why not try some threads on how CAG might SAVE money also?? Who knows, there's a lot of members with many different skills. There may be members who could help improve the board, or help find solutions that could save CAG money on server cost, or hosting fees. Who knows what might shake out if you opened things up for sugestions---oe volunteers??
Just a suggestion.
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Mark, I know exactly what you ment, and nowhere did I disagree in any way.
My comments were only concerning the post by those who were pushing for a member's only board.
Go back and read my first post. I'm speaking as a member, and expressing my own opinion on whether to make the board members only based on my own personal situation. I've been a member for around three years now, and have always said that the board was all I was interested in. I've paid my dues simply because I didn't want a free ride. Bottom line is that if this board went members only it would be boring as He11. There wouldn't be anything on here except threads about how to tie hairs and favorite flavors of popsicles.
I never had a problem with paying for the electronic membership, but when milk really is free, (as in lots of free boards) it's not necessarly worth $20 to everyone. As to the rest of ya:
It's always crazy how some members want to get all bent out of shape and start spouting out an informercial for CAG if they perceive that someone's not following party doctrine. Sorry, but not every member has to act like their world revolves around CAG. My only sin here was to express my opinion on the "former" option of electronic membership. If it bothers you----I really hate it--a lot.
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Hey Mark,
You are right to be annoyed at people trying to figure out where there $20 goes. Insane. I know that each state chair works hard and i know the Mi. Chair has spent a lot of money out of his own pocket to put on events in Michigan and that is not to mention the work he, his wife and family put into the event.
$20 for a years membership, what a deal, if you attend events or post on the board, whatever your level of participation. Kids aside, the adults that post on this board who do not pay the $20 should be ashamed of themselves.
Buster, give me a break, you would pay $10, but you won't pay $20
So the 19 cents a week puts you off. <_< Complete the phrase tight fisted ......Scarry--You miss my point.
The point is that I am a member and I have an opinion. If you don't like my opinion, then you can kiss my overly large hairy rump.
To some of us, the board is the only thing that CAG has to offer. Most boards are free. This one used to cost $10 for full access. Now it's $20.
I ain't paying $20 to view any forum.
I don't use the discounts.
I don't read the NACA
I have no desire whatsoever to attend CAG functions. I just happen to like this board---and have for a long time.
Mark--I'm not questioning where the $20 goes.
I simply asking how much money CAG pays for forum hosting.
Anytime this discussion comes up, there's always somebody bringing up the fact that guest cost CAG money.
I'm just asking how much--if any above and beyond the standard hosting fee has to be spent on extra bandwidth to accomodate "Guest".
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This board is priceless. To be able to bring so many together with so many different techniques, baits, and styles is hard to get a handle on. If all one gets out of CAG is this board then they are missing the heart and soul of the organization. I doubt if anyone here is crazzy, though some may qualify under the Mass rules, but, just so set in their ways and set on grinding their own ax that they fail to see all that has been laid at their feet. Where else can I get hooked up with a true english Match Man and fish an event with him?? The same is true with the paylaker, fly fisherman, as well as the long rod crowd. And the cost for all of this?? Nothing, its nothing. Not to mention having the ability to push their own agenda on the millions that view this forum.
If this board can find a way not to be taken advantage of by the few than the many can keep on carring on. CAG's strength is in its deversity, not in the few that dont feel they are getting their $20.00 worth.
JMHO as a human being.
Tom.
And I didnt see that being hip on this forum was one of the CAG objectives.
Sorry for the double post but I failed to mention that the only Free Cheese is in the Mouse Trap.
gusTom, I won't disagree with much of what you said. I've been a member for several years, and I love this board. Lot's of people have said it before---the best thing about CAG is it's diversity. That diversity also includes people who don't have a desire to jump into CAG with both feet. Not everyone has a desire to participate in CAG activities. They may just simply enjoy the board. There are lots of board guest who don't have the ability to go to CAG events. They may or may not ever join CAG. I personaly think that they make a significant contribution to the board though.
My opinion on the board/membership deal was posted a long time ago. I think that CAG made a huge mistake by doing away with the electronic membership package.
JMHO--$20 is nothing --it's a real deal for members who want to jump into CAG with everything they've got.
But for other Members--who just want to participate on the board---$20 is pretty steep---for a pay for view board.
Like the cute Mod pointed out
--some members do look at CAG like it's some kind of religion. Others just want to be part of the board, and may be willing to pay for that option. They may not want to pay for a whole months rent though. Maybe somebody who knows something about board hosting can chime in here. Just what does ths board cost CAG each month???? I'd bet that it's less than $20 bucks a month.
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I personally think it's stupid, but I don't have any reasons to give other than the fact we need to remember this is an online forum, not a religion. We already have a series of rules, why do we need more, especially for newcomers? I would think that would be a turn off.
Good Point.
You have to remember that to some people, the only thing that CAG has to offer is the board. Personaly, the NACA and the discounts are uselessly to me. I joined CAG because of the board. No other reason.
When we had the electronic membership, $10 was a reasonable price to pay for someone who was only interested in the board. As it is now, $20 is a little steep for board rent, and It's doubtful if I will rejoin.
IF the board ever went totaly "pay for view", I think that you'd just see lots of the guest move to other boards. This board needs the guest, and the ideas--and sometimes silly questions that they bring.
IMHO--Bring back the electronic membership---and then you might could talk about limiting guest. At the current membership rate, I don't think it's a good idea IMHO.
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Eric, you better enjoy your time with Herk, cause it's gonna be limited.
We've already decided that the next time he comes to Nawth Carliner we're gonna kidnap him and keep him.
Good show dudes.
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Rocky was euthanized because he was reported.
That doesn't make any sense. The post didn't violate forum guidelines, and was in fact an honest post. It was exactly what does happen, and should happen much more often at paylake. If the truth is offensive, then ban paylake related post too.
Anything to keep the paying members happy--right??
I don't care if God himself reported that post. Deleting it is lame arsed double standard moderation. Totaly unnessasary too. The thread was DEAD. Nobody fighting or arguing. no problem.
Please tell whoever reported the post to kiss my big old harry paylaker butt.
All the Best
Rocky's Dad
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Brian as always very well said
Yes, well put, as usual.
But--I'd love to hear an explanation as to why Rocky had to be euthanized.
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You ought to make a trip down to NC and check out some of our paylakes. No doubt, we've got some lakes with ugly fish in them. We've got others that have fish that look like they just came out of B###n Lake. Big, fat and healthy.
It's all in how the lake owners look after their pond.
Keep another thing in mind also. The injured fish with mouth damage have a hard time eating. They get caught ALOT. Most lakes have somethng like 10% of their fish that get caught over and over, while most of their fish are seldom, if ever caught.
A good pond boss will get those injured fish out of there.
JMHO
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Really neat write up. I used to do the headboat deal on a regular basis. It's one of the best bang for the buck deals going once ya figure out how to get in with the locals.
The kid looked awfully happy too. WTG.
Question??
How do they fish for kings down there?? Light linning cigar minnows on top??
And did you notice if any of the "locals" brought their own live bait for grouper/snapper ??
THX
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PINS is a must fish if you like to saltwater fish. I've made 2 trips there this summer with guys from work. The place is simply amazing to fish, nothing like cathcing 5ft sharks from the bank is the norm. With 8ft being pretty common and largest to my knowledge being a 12ft tigershark. Plus you get a chance at tarpoon,
redfish, and black drum. Great place.
Richard
PI sounds almost exactly Cape Lookout NS here in NC. 40 miles of undeveloped barrier island accessable only by 4X4. I kept a beach buggy over there for several years, and am still set up to live in the sand in style.
We get lots of the 50-250 pound sharks over there. Mostly blacktips, spinners and bulls. The big sharks are there also, but I think that the surf is generally rougher than it would be at PI, so hauling a bait out in a yak or with a surf board is a lot harder.
I will do PI one of these days.
Globetrotter wrote: (in part):
I wished that they'd released it. Sharks are such beautiful fish when they are alive, and I've learnt through bitter experience that killing sharks for trophy shots, especially the bigger ones, is not a smart thing to do.Silky's are plentiful and are good to eat. But that shark probably baked in the sun for hours before being cleaned-----and who needs 300 pounds of shark meat??
Fortunatly, C&R of sharks has become much more common than it was in the past. They are beautiful creatures, and it's a shame to kill one for a photo opp.
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I seen that on another channel this week. They said you all caught it lol.
Guys, that silky is a minnow--
Texas is a hotbead for real sharkers--especially South Padre Island--where they go toe to toe with them from the beach.
Padre is at the top of my must do list.
czech out these links to see what sharkin is really about---and then give it a try if you ever get a chance. Sharks rock.
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Because of a seasonal increase in sales, we have not been able to keep our website updated with new flavor, or inventory information. We have a number of flavors that have never been listed, and many flavors that may show as being "out of stock" have been restocked.
I would suggest that anyone wishing to place orders with SPS please order directly via e-mail at carpstuff1@aol.com
As always, we offer discounts to SP and CAG Members on direct orders.
Sam
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Sorry I missed all the fun guys, but my cable/broadband was down last night, and I wouldn't dare touch this one from work.
But:
Dave--In hindsight, you are correct.Posted by Dave:.but no facts to back it up? You surely realize how it's tough for me to take you serious.?? Your little "bowfishing /archery sponsorship" comment is then looked at to me as a insult and is completely without merit. Which doesn't surprise me reading some of your recent posts.
I've posted my thoughts about /on bowfishing plenty. So need to do that again. For the record though I did offer the Bowfishing PR rep to send me a list of questions more than once and I would answer them for print and he declined. Why? Because the truth just wouldn't be as interesting or help their cause.
I did lay on the floor laughing for a long time when the got Punk'd by PETA. You have to admit that was funny..
It was an insult.
And no, the deal with PETA isn't funny to anyone who cares about the publics perception of carp fishing. Most people who read that crap believed it, and personaly, I still think that some of ya are rabid enough to get in bed with PETA.
However--I do think the way you pull Mo's strings is hilarious.
Posted by Fishpig:Buster,
For once, and I mean only once , I have to say that I agree with you
Well--I appreciate it. It surely is a nice surprise.
Posted by Pat:Mark, I've been around forever, long before even Dave and this argument has gone on and on and on........
A colleague of mine at work today was looking over my shoulder and saw the pics of the dead carp (and they fish!) and were absolutely appalled that any "sportsman" would do that.....yet once again a thread gets TWISTED around to be about "sportsman’s rights" give me a break guys, legal or not shooting a bunch of fish and leaving them on the bank to rot sucks....period end of sentence.
Really lame that some people took the opportunity to take the trashing of a guys swim as an opportunity to grind their personal axes
And I agree that the xenophobic attitude of any opinion different than mine is foreign and un-American gets old in a hurry .
Pat, thats lame. There hasn't been anything posted about "sportsmans rights", whats foreign, or even any ax grinding.
In fact, with that comment, you're twisting things around and stirring up the chit---almost as bad a I am.
Trust me, nobody is paronoid about the Brits/Euro deal. I like the Brits. I wouldn't want my Daughter to mary one--but I llike 'em just fine.
PHONE Please allow me to say that this has been some of your best work. Really--Really FUNNY Stuff !!
And, In closing, I would like to make one simple observation.
It's true that most decent sportsman have been taught things like "kill only what you eat", and that leaving fish on the banks is bad.
There's one flaw in that line of thinking.
Nature, if left along, does not allow any waste. If someone had eaten those fish, or dumped them in a landfill or garden, they really would be wasted.
Left there in that barley field/cow pasture---nature will take it's course, and recycle every iota of nutrients back into the ecosystem. Those fish did not die in vain. They will provide sustanance for other fish and animals, and nature will take its course.
( I don't condone tossing fish--or even killing them for that matter---but the claim that they were wasted is not totaly true.)
Anywho----I have work to do.
All The Best
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Domm,
I'm sure they do use whatever they have to to protect their so-called sport. Just because I tried to get bowfishing banned on one lake that makes me anti-bowfishing? They can shoot talapia, small carp, (food for the table) etc. all day long. Their house of cards will come tumbling down in the long run that's whay I don't loose sleep over it. Also I guess In-Fisherman would be considered anti-bowfishing with Doug Stange's recent comments on "Tempering their sport" I'll side with C&R In-Fisherman anyday ..
I'll ask you just like Buster show me the proof. If you can't then I have to accept that it's your opinion, not really fact.
Dave--It's all opinion. Your's, mine, and everyone else's. I started forming my opinions several years ago when I found my Son searching for bowfishing gear on the internet. I asked him where he got that F$$%^& idea--and he showed me an anti-bowfishing thread--of yours. <_<
I also happen to be in the PM loop with some of the shooters, and I get to see how they use the anti-post to rally their own troops.
So--It is all just my opinion.
Most of ya misunderstand what that opinion really is. I don't particlurly like bowfishing. Never have. I just have a different opinion than most when it comes to resource management, and the role that the Internet will play on future game and fish laws.
I don't see the need for an"Us against Them" approach-especially when we're out numbered, out manned--and out gunned.
It's all just a difference of opinion in tactics. It can take a long time to shape public opinion. I only advocate a more passive approach then most people have patience for. But thats a whole 'nother topic.
Mr. Crab
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Herkel,May 22 2006, 09:54 AM] Tim, You know me and I'am neither anti BF.'er nor pro carp hugger but I am anti slob. Everyone has a right to choose their own sport but they should do it with the respect the sport desirves. It doesn't matter the means that a fish was taken but how it is disposed of afterwards.
Herkel--I agree with ya 100 %. This was the work of slobs. And unfortunatly, there's slobs in every sport.
I am not pro-bowfish in any way. Never have been. But I still talk to some of them. Most of them seem to be decent guys, and most of them don't like having slobs in their sport either.
The problem is that everytime this group starts raising cain about bowfishers, they just get more publicity, and the carp angling community just looks more like a bunch of nuts.
Fighting with them will solve nothing. It just turns up the heat.Posted by Dave:Buster,
Time will tell, but the more you post I think it proves how little you actually know..
Dave--trust me--the feeling is mutual. I'm surprised that you havn't landed a sponsership deal from one of the big archery companies. You've probably done more to promote bowfishing than anyone in the country. <_<
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For the record---TimJC--I didn't mean to launch that just at you. Your post just happened to be the last. Outrage won't help the situation a bit. Diplomacy and education may help----in the long run.
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Just because it is legal doesn't make it right. The people that are offended by bowfishing (I'm still on the fence) should stand up. I agree that this may not be the best place, but maybe things need to change in regards to bowfishing's legality. I actually checked into bowfishingsucks.com to see if it is a registered domain and it is. There is no site, but it is registered and parked. If people want to stand up against bowfishing it is there right.
I propose that a group get together and maybe create an awareness site. We probably shouldn't use CAG as the mouthpiece, but that doesn't mean that CAG members can't be part of an anti-bowfishing group as well. I also don't agree with the PETA like spam tactics that some people have been doing on bow friendly sites. The argument that it is legal, leave it alone does not work. If you see something in a democratic society that you think is wrong, it is you right to try to change the law.
My rant is done here. I will go back to sitting on the fence (like a hawk ready to swoop)
We'll, I'd bet the farm that there's 100 times more carp tossed on the bank by rod and reel anglers than by bowfishermen. So--Why not create an awarness site that educates the public on the evils of those bastids who fish with rods and reels??
Geez--Sorry--but it just seems that this board has been infiltrated by goobers who get their panties in a wad everytime somebody decides to yank their chains.
First off--THINK.
In the grand scheme of things--CAG--ACS--and all the other carpy players are totaly insignificant. They don't have anywhere near enough arse to take on the shooters.
IF a group of dumbasses does start a website like "bowfishingsucks.ugh--they will be seen by the general sporting community as a bunch of PETE Pumper freaks.
For every one person that they turn against bowfishing--they'll be 10 regular sportsman who take up the sport.
And--this thread is prety damn lame. Where's the outrage over the hook and line anglers who chunk every carp that they catch??
You guys just like to work each other up into a tizzy over the bowfishing thing.
And--are naive enough to fall for the crap every time it's posted.Thats OK I guess. Lots of us get a good laugh out of it.
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I sure am glad that Dave chose to head South and do a write up on Southern Paylakes. What do ya'll think of the choices of flavorings we have at the paylake shack???? You are free to open the lid and take a smell of each and every bottle. Talk about a kid in the candy store. No ordering, at least from an out of town company. If I want a special blend, R&W will do that too and do it fast. Just pick it up at the paylake. Sorry Dave if I jumped in here, just couldnt help myself.
Tom.
Dave--Tom---Excellent thread on paylakes. Really good.
Only problem that I see is that with all this talk about R&W, 'ol Rainman's head might just explode.
Raymond is the God of paylakes. He's probably inadvertantly done more for this sport than most people have done on purpose. He's probably the biggest supplier of Carp related tackle and bait in the world.
And--there's a few other guys out there who's not far behind. It would make for some great NACA articles if someone just wrote the story on these guys. (P. Brooks, Shep, and others. And some of the oldtime lake owners too.)
And no--I'm not volunteering.
Anywho--great job, and a great promo on the sport.
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We don't.
I heard about it middle of last week from a different source.Only prob was that the double agent couldn't remember the name.
Shame that he couldn't have made it a little further east. Would have loved to have shown him around the central piedmont--where we eat Lexington style BBQ instead of "livermush".
Seriously--a big Ataboy to Tom and anyone else who jumps in and helps show off our game.
WTG
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I wasn't going to post anything, but I heard that you were "in town" on Wed. Was told that you may have fished with the most famous paylaker of all on Thursday?? (a certain "Rainman")
Heard a fishing report too. Sounded like ya caught some nice 'uns.
Odd how fast news of 12 ft. rods travels down here.
I hope ya enjoyed the trip.
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That sounds almost like a Phone Phact, Scott.
If you throw out a statement like that, you better be able to provide some sort of documentation.
This should explain it. Fairly simple really.
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Yup--Thats about what mark said. Problem is it's still got a "question format" that could now generate another 8 pages of bologna.
