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A Muskrat hole, wow, that is one smart carp. Not much you can do at that point is there?
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Alright, my fly-rod and I are in for giggles and to show support. In the poker world I am what you call dead money
If I win gear in the raffle it should probably go to a carper in need or kids program though because I wouldnt have a clue what to do with it!
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Welcome to CAG! My advice...quit while you are ahead. Ignore me, I am feeling rather melo-dramitic since I am on a slump! Seriously though if you have caught the two on accident your water is probably a great place to start learning. You just don't catch them by accident in tough water very often, at least with flies.
Welcome to the forum!
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The carp fly swap I posted about last month is pretty much complete. The last 4 return packages will go out monday. It went awesome. We had 22 participants from across the country including guys like John Montana, Gregg. Bill de Brooklyn and Eric Ridenour from this forum and many other experts from across the country like B.Reynolds, Roughfisher, Morlock and the list goes on. All in all it added up to a total of 311 flies!
So, for anybody who ties thier own the summary page with almost a hundred pictures is a fun place to start for ideas for spring. For those who prefer to purchase there are even a couple of guys who sell thier flies on-line who participated.
http://www.flycarpin...p-fly-swap.html
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Sweet John, I was trying to show that picture to Kim a while back and couldnt find it anywhere. She was duly impressed, more so than with my boring pictures of commons at any rate!
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Dangit Gregg, You ARE a fly-swap!!! Love the posts, so many flies so little time.
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Gregg - I have yet to catch one myself of either kind but I think I read that it is pretty easy to tell. KOI have barbells, goldfish do not. Easy peasy but correct? Now all I have to do is find some of my own to ID!!!!!!
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Yeah, I tried it once for giggles (I was using a 13 dollar 12' crappie pole from Bass Pro Shops) and hooked two fish. The first one destroyed the stupid crappy knot I had at the end of the pole almost immediately. The second one in the video below almost dragged me across the river before the hook pulled out. Amazing how critical the reel is with even a modertely sized but pretty hot fish. I figure this one was about 12 to 14 pounds.
I am going to goof around with it a little more in the spring when I can get to some Juveniles in local ponds, the two-handed effect with the long crappie pole was pretty fun casting.
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REGISTRATION IS CLOSED AT 21 participants!
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Sweet Bill! I think we will probably cut it off at an even 10 per person to keep the load light. If, somehow we get more than 10 people in the swap (I really think we can) I will do some random sorting. If people want to provide two sets of 10 (of two different fly patterns) then, well, they will get 20 flies back!
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We tried last year and didnt get much interest. I am going to try and make it happen through my blog this year, see if we can't get enough people interested to make it worth our while. I will handle the grunt-work (aka recieving, sorting, mailing back and compiling materials lists / directions).
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I am in with my friend Mike Medina. The Fly Fishing category is going down this year! I just hope we get halfway decent weather because I told him we are giving a shot no matter what. Which will make me look really when it turns out to be 10 below and I wuss out.
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McTage, thanks for starting this thread. My answers are quite involved. Please know I am not using your thread to create blog traffic. There are quite a number of pictures in my answers and I don't have time to optimize them for the CAG forum so please accept the format of my answers.
Here is an explanation of how I came to have some familiarity with Euro-Carp methods and how I learned what a weighing sling is.
Here is a detailed explanation with pictures of all of my nets and my sling.. My weighing sling works well for me as a wading, Carp fly fisherman.
Thanks allot Mr P, that is a whole boat-load of things to think about. This has been the funnest CAG fly discussion in a while.
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I actually go fly fishing here in the UK and have never used one of these items on salmon or trout. Could you give me an idea as to why they are used. Over here we even did away with an item called a pike gag, a spring type gadget to keep a pikes mouth open whilst unhooking.
Paul,
Pretty sure that boga grips (and the various knock-offs) actually originated with the saltwater crowd and that many users are using them because, well, it is hip to do what the saltwater guys do. That's basicly why I had one a long time ago. The appeal is at least partially that they provide a fairly portable tool to aid in controlling and landing a fish with the bonus that most have an integral scale that can even be IFGA certified. I think that the appeal is over-rated because they are actually heavy as hell and they really do seem to me to be hard on fish. That being said, if I ever get to fish for Tiger fish or something equally scary I would wish I had mine back!
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Mario,
Thanks for the links, I had looked through and wasnt sure if that was the mat you were talking about or not. Not that expensive, I will probably pick one up to at least try it out. Open mind and all that. Those nets are incredible deals, way bigger than I think I need for CO carp but for that price I might even give it a shot. Right now I am picturing taking a cheap camel-bak backpack and rigging it up to strap in these straight down my back behind my head. Could work.
Mr. P,
I would love to see what you use. Looking forward to it.
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This is the net (Promar trophy series) I am using. Considering buying the next size up because it seems to start to be too small for anything over about 18lb or roughly 28". How it collapses is absolutely perfect, and the opening seems fine, the bag depth just isnt enough. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I dont run into to many 50lbers here in CO! My biggest so far is a smidge over 20lb. Maybe instead of trying the next size up I will try a custom bag first.
Mario, that pad you showed in that picture looks pretty big. Does he roll it up and carry it on his back or what? That net looks interesting. Huge opening for a collapsible. Do you know what manufacturer it is?
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The criticism came from guys who didn't know why he used the boga-grip. And until they walk in the fly fishier-mans shoes or waders the Euro-style guys can only guess at what would work in every case. Just treat the fish the best way you can,
Pretty much all true, but I figure an open discussion cant hurt. Lets face it, the Euro-style carp fishermen are perhaps the only fishing culture in the world truly qualified to turn thier noses up at fly fishermens catch and release methods.
John - The rod weight and "half hour battle" thing drives me crazy on forums here too. Usually it is because somebody is just new to it or caught a carp by accident. In my limited research the net thing is tough. Mine has a better mesh. Yours has a much much much better bag depth. I would love to find something in the middle, but at 50 to a couple hundred bucks per experiment its not something you can sort out by trial and error.
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One of those weigh slings that have the poles along the top edges will roll up fairly compact and maybe put a suitable size sheet of bubble wrap on the ground beneath it, for a fairly compact solution. Carry a small scale to use with it, The sling could also be used for carrying some of your less odour sensitive items, hope this helps
Honestly not sure what you are talking about with the weigh slings, I will research it. The bubble wrap is a very interesting idea!
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So, some legitimate criticism has come up several times on the fly fishing forum. It seems that some believe that fly fishermen need to do a better job of carp-care. Issues like boga-grips, no landing mats and in-adequate landing nets have been mentioned. Good constructive criticism but it is buried inside of a forum where the only people reading it are big carp lovers and are probably doing the best that they are willing to or know how. In other words probably slightly wasted breath.
Would any carp-care experts like to do a guest post giving advice on my blog Fly-Carpin. You would have to keep in mind that fly fishermen NEVER sit down and can easily walk several miles in a single outing. Advice to carry a huge landing net or a big padded landing mat would not help. Advice on small compact alternatives to a landing mat, good collapsible landing nets, avoiding boga-grips and all the subtleties that I frankly do not know would.
Fly fishermen and Euro-style carpers share a cultural interest in fish care and catch and release. Euro-Carping is quite a bit more mature when it comes to carp though so maybe you could help us out.
Thanks,
McTage
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Any big ones put there Mctage? I think you owe me a guided trip!
Yes, as a matter of fact I do owe you a trip! You know you are welcome any time. Not sure if there are any big ones in 11 mile. I did just enough research last year that I know what bay to start in when I get a chance. I know from the grapevine that there are good numbers but its the highest lake I know of for sure that has carp in CO and I suspect they are not large. Pretty sure I would have heard different if they are. 11 mile is in the most famous fishing valleys in CO. Beautifull area.
If you are lookin for high-country (or it looks like it) lakes with awesome fish we should get some fly guys together at blackfoot.
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And people think carp cannot be caught in beautifull places. That is only 2 hours from my house, no excuse why I have not made it up there yet. Too many close to home options I guess, but not many of them are as pretty.
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That is an interesting site, love all the information on hybrids on that site. I wish I knew how many of those different hybrids there are in the US. You catch so many different looking commons with different coloration and body shapes here. I always figured it was environment, do we have all those hybrids mixed up in our waters?
Those questions and more are probably all awnsered on this board somewhere, no idea where
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Well, that is interesting and new. A Colorado section!
It sometimes seems like CO has among the highest concentration of fly-carpers (like me) in the country for some strange reason but I am kind of curious, are there many Euro-style carpers here? If so does the restriction on baiting totally kill things or can you work around it?
I think my wife and son would be very interested in fishing for carp if I had a clue as to how to set them up with a baited rod that worked. Sadly I tried last summer and it turns out that I really only have a clue how to catch them on the fly. Are there any euro-style folks in the Denver area that would be willing to trade some fly-fishing for carp lessons for bait-fishing lessons so that I would know how to set them up for success next year?
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JHM - The quick and dirty version, nice!!! Gotta admit, some of my flies arent the quickest to tie. What can I say, sometimes I like complicated. Did you get that one on a drop type presentation or on the strip?
I can't believe how many fish I am gettin the last couple of months on the strip with the full complicated Trouser Worm. I am a little concerned lately though that I am not getting a good hook-set on a strip-set with the caddis-style hooks. It was hooking just fine and deep into the lip when I was just fishing it on the drop and trout-setting. Now that I am spending so much time stripping it in and setting with a strip-set my hook-ups have absolutely skyrocketed but I seem to be hooking light and the landing percentages have gone way down. I also changed to a DaiRichi hook which has a slightly different shape than a Mustad which may have something to do with it, I am not sure.
The Leather Trouser Worm for comparison:
Video From Yesterday
in Carp on the Fly
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Great video, you could really see the take. Is that a Go-Pro? Pretty nice picture, I may need to get me one of those.
Don't you just love it when they fall into your lap like that?