Jump to content
Carp Anglers Group Forums

tangledline

Forum Guest
  • Posts

    0
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by tangledline

  1. Lake Winnipeg most threatened in world in 2013

    'This is the red flag'

    CBC News

    Posted: Feb 2, 2013 3:16 PM ET

    A picture from July 2010, showing blue-green algae appearing on beaches in the South Basin of Lake Winnipeg. (CBC)

    Lake Winnipeg has earned a disturbing new title from the Global Nature Fund (GNF), as the Threatened Lake of 2013.

    "That this huge Canadian lake is faced with problems similar to those of lakes in more densely populated countries is hard to believe," stated the organization, which is based in Berlin, Germany.

    GNF, the organization that created the International Living Lakes network, chooses the most-threatened lake in the world every year. Lake Winnipeg was nominated by Living Lakes Canada.

    "This is the red flag," said Vicki Burns, outreach coordinator at the Lake Winnipeg Foundation.

    '[The blue-green algae is] getting so big you can see it from...outer space.'—Vicki Burns, Lake Winnipeg Foundation

    Burns, along with other experts, say blue-green algae is poisoning the lake.

    "They're getting so big you can see it from a satellite from outer space," Burns said.

    According to the GNF, nutrients and pesticides found in agricultural run-off and sewage discharge are partly responsible for causing the toxic algae.

    "It's a consequence of our lack of responsibility to take care of the environment …and the only thing I can say is — it can only get worse," said John Werring, senior science and policy advisor at the David Suzuki Foundation.

    To restore the lake the pollutants will have to be removed from the water, which Burns said could take decades and could cost millions of dollars.

    But the cost of not doing anything could be more devastating — a dead lake.

    "I don't want people to think there's no hope for Lake Winnipeg," Burns said. "There's lots of hope and we know quite a few things we can do to turn this around. We've just got to get going and start doing them."

  2. in retrospect i should have mentioned that the stage the lake is in ...in its lifecycle...and the fertilization runoff from agriculture...huge population increase living around the lakes, erosion are also considerable factors to the growth of bluegreen algae....please no calling for a mass kill of ducks and geese too.

    yes its always about money too.

    post-6590-0-96274400-1359926303.jpg

  3. i fear the people of manitoba will pay for their love of geese and ducks.

    The goose and duck poop feeds the huge algae blooms they have in their lakes.

    The blue green algae blooms (cyanobacteria) on lake Winnipeg for example contain BMAA a toxin that accumulates in the Brain.

    Exposure in large quantities over a long period of time BMAA is known to cause neurological diseases like Alzheimers, Parkinsons, ALS.

    These are diseases without mercy that you would not wish on your worst enemies.

    For their ignorance the people of Manitoba will pay a high price.

    My Father built the water filtration plant in Dauphin Manitoba because of Beaver Fever...he agrees Manitoba is again endangering the drinking water of its population by encouraging the growth of its geese and duck populations.

    the lesson to be learned here is do not mess with nature's balance cause it will mess you up ten fold.

    by the way shark fin contains concentrated amounts of BMAA...those who consume shark fin soup...fueling the killing of millions of sharks will also pay the heavy price.

    I understand that the post and this reply are not positive in nature...sorry...but many things mankind does to nature are not positive.

  4. Found the following disturbing.

    Lets get rid of carp and bring back the geese.

    Choose one over the other.

    The article mentions improving the phosphorus levels well bringing back thousands of geese and their poop sure will help.

    It was bad enough to interfere with the carp but to kill them for their roe seems like someone has it in for them.

    Carp not welcome to live in Delta Marsh Program aims to rid invasive fish from wetland

    By: Bruce Owen

    Posted: 02/2/2013 1:00 AM check-big.pngcheck-big.png

    4713917.jpg

    JOE.BRYKSA / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS ARCHIVES Enlarge Image

    The province, Ducks Unlimited and its partners are trying to rid Delta Marsh of invasive, habitat-destroying carp while allowing other species to thrive.

    Carp Be Gone.

    That's the short name for a $3.5-million program unveiled Friday by the province and Ducks Unlimited Canada to restore Delta Marsh on Lake Manitoba by stopping carp, a fat, ugly invasive fish, from getting into the marsh.

    The common carp has the nasty habit of destroying habitat by rooting out sensitive marsh plants when it feeds and spawns.

    The eight-year plan involves the installation of special screens installed at access points to the Lake Manitoba marsh, such as under bridges and at culverts, to keep carp out of the marsh during the spring and early summer, but allow other smaller fish such as pickerel and yellow perch to come and go without interfering with their spawning.

    The plan's goals: By keeping the carp out, the marsh will rejuvenate itself for wildlife and waterfowl that have been driven out over the past 50 years. Plus, with plant life restored, the marsh will again act as a filter to help keep nutrients, such as algae-causing phosphorus, out of the lake.

    "We've got to turn it around," Conservation and Water Stewardship Minister Gord Mackintosh said. "There's too much at stake."

    The project is the largest of its kind in North America and will be administered by Ducks Unlimited. Its announcement coincides with World Wetlands Day today. The province's contribution is $575,000. Ducks Unlimited Canada and its partners, including Wildlife Habitat Canada, are contributing $3 million for a total project contribution of $3.5 million.

    Prof. Gordon Goldsborough, associate professor of biological sciences at the University of Manitoba, said research over the past four years has found vegetation will recover on the 18,000-hectare marsh if carp are prevented from entering it during the late spring and summer. Carp do not overwinter there because it is too shallow.

    "I'm willing to lay money we see improvement in the very first year," Goldsborough said. "I think in the long run we're going to have an understanding that will help save a lot more of the marshes of Manitoba, many which are at threat."

    The screens will have metal bars spaced seven centimetres apart, allowing fish vital to commercial fishers to spawn in the marsh, but blocking the much bigger carp.

    "We want bars wide enough apart that the majority of fish can pass between them," Goldsborough said.

    Coupled with the carp exclusion project, the Manitoba Métis Federation and the Manitoba Habitat Heritage Corporation plan to have fishers catch the carp as they congregate by the fish screens. Their goal is to expand the market for carp roe.

    "There's money to be made here for the fishermen," MMF minister of fisheries Joe Parenteau said. "It's a win-win for everyone. We can get rid of the carp that are causing the damage in the marsh."

    bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca

    Carp factoids

    The common carp, native to Asia and parts of Europe, was first introduced to Manitoba in 1886 to be a cheap food source and has spread throughout the Red and Assiniboine rivers and lakes Winnipeg and Manitoba.

    By 1954 they were a nuisance to commercial fishers and had little value.

    Carp are large bottom-dwelling fish that take on the taste of a river or marsh bottom.

    It's recognized by its small eyes, thick lips with two barbels at each corner of the mouth, large scales, and strongly serrated spines on its fins. Colour varies, but is often brassy yellow, olive green or silvery grey on its back, fading to silvery yellow on the belly.

    Carp disrupt wetlands by regularly ripping up vegetation when feeding and spawning and stirring up silt and sediment, which stops sunlight from reaching other aquatic life.

    The largest Manitoba carp on record was caught in 1997 from the Red River. It was 108 cm (42.5") long.

    The potential value of carp is its roe, a poor man's caviar. The average price per kilogram of common carp roe in Manitoba was $2.06 in 2011.

  5. Found the following disturbing.

    Lets get rid of carp and bring back the geese.

    Choose one over the other.

    The article mentions improving the phosphorus levels well bringing back thousands of geese and their poop sure will help.

    It was bad enough to interfere with the carp but to kill them for their roe seems like someone has it in for them.

    Carp not welcome to live in Delta Marsh Program aims to rid invasive fish from wetland

    By: Bruce Owen

    Posted: 02/2/2013 1:00 AM check-big.pngcheck-big.png

    4713917.jpg

    JOE.BRYKSA / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS ARCHIVES Enlarge Image

    The province, Ducks Unlimited and its partners are trying to rid Delta Marsh of invasive, habitat-destroying carp while allowing other species to thrive.

    Carp Be Gone.

    That's the short name for a $3.5-million program unveiled Friday by the province and Ducks Unlimited Canada to restore Delta Marsh on Lake Manitoba by stopping carp, a fat, ugly invasive fish, from getting into the marsh.

    The common carp has the nasty habit of destroying habitat by rooting out sensitive marsh plants when it feeds and spawns.

    The eight-year plan involves the installation of special screens installed at access points to the Lake Manitoba marsh, such as under bridges and at culverts, to keep carp out of the marsh during the spring and early summer, but allow other smaller fish such as pickerel and yellow perch to come and go without interfering with their spawning.

    The plan's goals: By keeping the carp out, the marsh will rejuvenate itself for wildlife and waterfowl that have been driven out over the past 50 years. Plus, with plant life restored, the marsh will again act as a filter to help keep nutrients, such as algae-causing phosphorus, out of the lake.

    "We've got to turn it around," Conservation and Water Stewardship Minister Gord Mackintosh said. "There's too much at stake."

    The project is the largest of its kind in North America and will be administered by Ducks Unlimited. Its announcement coincides with World Wetlands Day today. The province's contribution is $575,000. Ducks Unlimited Canada and its partners, including Wildlife Habitat Canada, are contributing $3 million for a total project contribution of $3.5 million.

    Prof. Gordon Goldsborough, associate professor of biological sciences at the University of Manitoba, said research over the past four years has found vegetation will recover on the 18,000-hectare marsh if carp are prevented from entering it during the late spring and summer. Carp do not overwinter there because it is too shallow.

    "I'm willing to lay money we see improvement in the very first year," Goldsborough said. "I think in the long run we're going to have an understanding that will help save a lot more of the marshes of Manitoba, many which are at threat."

    The screens will have metal bars spaced seven centimetres apart, allowing fish vital to commercial fishers to spawn in the marsh, but blocking the much bigger carp.

    "We want bars wide enough apart that the majority of fish can pass between them," Goldsborough said.

    Coupled with the carp exclusion project, the Manitoba Métis Federation and the Manitoba Habitat Heritage Corporation plan to have fishers catch the carp as they congregate by the fish screens. Their goal is to expand the market for carp roe.

    "There's money to be made here for the fishermen," MMF minister of fisheries Joe Parenteau said. "It's a win-win for everyone. We can get rid of the carp that are causing the damage in the marsh."

    bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca

    Carp factoids

    The common carp, native to Asia and parts of Europe, was first introduced to Manitoba in 1886 to be a cheap food source and has spread throughout the Red and Assiniboine rivers and lakes Winnipeg and Manitoba.

    By 1954 they were a nuisance to commercial fishers and had little value.

    Carp are large bottom-dwelling fish that take on the taste of a river or marsh bottom.

    It's recognized by its small eyes, thick lips with two barbels at each corner of the mouth, large scales, and strongly serrated spines on its fins. Colour varies, but is often brassy yellow, olive green or silvery grey on its back, fading to silvery yellow on the belly.

    Carp disrupt wetlands by regularly ripping up vegetation when feeding and spawning and stirring up silt and sediment, which stops sunlight from reaching other aquatic life.

    The largest Manitoba carp on record was caught in 1997 from the Red River. It was 108 cm (42.5") long.

    The potential value of carp is its roe, a poor man's caviar. The average price per kilogram of common carp roe in Manitoba was $2.06 in 2011.

  6. Hamilton carp anglers rule!

    Awesome promotion of carp fishing.

    Tough to give Canadians the Euro taste of the sport...but it came across well.

    Good focus on baiting techniques.

    Missing was the camera coverage of a good carp fight.

    Very pleased that local carp anglers were given the spot light and it was not just fishing pros.

    Proud of you guys!

    Thank you for being such great hosts and sharing your swim and knowledge.

  7. Carp? Hybrid?

    Ron Linder posted this on his facebook page today....expresses that its not photoshopped?

    Half perch / half carp colouring and fins.....is this hoax someone is playing on Ron Linder?

    Picture attached...my appologies in advance if i have wasted your time...but i am curious...sorry.

    post-6590-0-72033800-1358480521.jpg

  8. in part two of the abc science article the researcher concludes that because the carp ceased to appear in distress after being given morphine that it must of felt pain before.....

    well the morphine would also skew or inhibit any warning receptors in the fish....the trout probably became unaware of their surroundings and most of their stimuli receptors became inactive from the morphine....the research does not in my opinion prove they had felt pain before.

  9. ok continuing....

    bolt.....means to rush forward suddenly,escape with a sense of urgency or emergency or escape confinement .... carp terminology bolt rigs.......

    a carp will bolt when hooked...but it bolts the same way if you scare it with a loud noise/vibration on the bank or if you throw a rock in the water beside it. the carp will continue to bolt until its sure its out of danger.

    This leads me to believe that its instinctive for the carp to bolt when it senses danger.

    I believe it bolts not out of pain but instinct.

    Pain is a sense of danger i will agree. But i do not think the carp has the ability to feel pain so if we ignore this for a moment i think the trigger and outcome are the same.

    ...i think the reaction to the vibration in the water of a splashing rock creates the same instinctive flight scenario as the pressure of restraint by the hook in the carps mouth.

  10. Hammercarp jolted my brain....he was fishing from a pier....i fish for carp frequently from piers.....then i got to thinking i only get carp surfaced and flipped upside down when i am at the piers...bank fishing i do not recall doing that....light clicks on...elevation....when i pier fish the carp is 5 to 8 feet below my feet...with my rod held high its 10 to 13 feet from my reel pressure to the carp...another 6 feet of rod after the reel thus 16 to 19 feet of elavation rod tip to water.....if i take every risk with the test strength of my line i can raise the carp and flip it....but from the lower banks i fish i can not maneuver the carp in the same manner.

    elevation above the water surface gives advantage of maneuverability at the expense of needing along handled net.

  11. i was hoping you would enjoy this topic ...i hope it has not created a unwanted debate....if this topic has upset people my appologies....

    it was recent news that had recent research and i am always being asked by kids we teach fishing to if we are hurting the fish we catch.

    i have always told them that if we do our best to follow the catch and release steps and tips we teach them then the fish is not in pain and most importantly it will live.

    With regards to pulling a carp to the surface and breaking its spirit on the first intial big run.....

    yes i find it works wonders to control and subdue the carp....better yet you get it upside down and the head slightly lifted above the surface of the water. The carp has just tried to sprint away and is used up valuable oxygen.....you have caused a problem with its swim bladder buoency by forcing it to the surface....while it struggles to sort out the gasses it needs to release to dive again it loses more oxygen....by flipping it over its disorientated and gulps for air....but at this crucial time it needs to run water over its gills to exchange gases and reboot oxygen level and release gas to dive...but with its head slightly out of the water its gills are unuseable or in efficient...

    without the gas exchange diving is difficult, and the lack of oxygen takes away the fight.

    if you use this method which i do occasionally....once the carp is netted revive it thoroughly in the net ...let it use its gills...before you attempt to hoist it out of the water for a pic or weigh or unhooking. better the chance of survival rate.

    the above is my opinion and take on the situation...i do not know if i am correct on the interpretation of science.

    if someone actually knows please correct my ramblings.

  12. Fish Can Not Feel Pain...they Lack Nerve Receptors And Developed Brain Cortex

    "Your hurting the fish....how would you like a hook through your mouth?"

    We have all heard the question and been told angling is wrong....well here is your answer....the stigma of fish torturer is lifted.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9797948/Fish-cannot-feel-pain-say-scientists.html

  13. some really nice sized fish!

    rain and cold....the dampness gets in your bones....suffering for your passion.....respect.

    i had no idea carp were tagged....i've caught tagged bass before....it makes me happy they are interested in the carp...hopefully in a good way.

    hammercarp your further research was interesting too. thanks.

    carp fishing in Hamilton is about 15 light years ahead of Toronto.

    the knowledge of your harbour and the fish's whereabouts is impressive.

    awesome post.

    i went to Hamilton after work sat for my niece's 9th birthday....i always want to fish when i go there but i really need to spend the time with my family

    and would feel so guilty fishing rather than spending the time with the kids....when they get a little older then yes we will be fishing too.

  14. Well today was a warm Dec02....10c and a warm rain to boot.

    I have been real busy with work and fighting a serious cold so with reservations i went fish'n.

    The 5 km bike ride in the rain through Toronto traffic was fun...yeah sure.

    Safely at my fishing hole i found pike, salmon,rainbow trout but no carp....

    I was using curry corn for the first time....i baited lightly....i was pleasently surprised that i got visits by

    all the fish in the area...they seemed curious of the smell...they didn't approach the bait directly but cruised through the swim area. This was a good sign i thought.

    Half hour passes no carp....so i brought in the rod and tried for an hour with another rod rigged for trout.

    follow after follow...but no commitment.

    so i went back to searching for carp and found some at the end of the canal i was fishing.

    i never had any luck in this area and landing a carp here would be difficult to say the least.

    these were the only carp i could find so i gave the area a try.

    i baited and set up the rod and then lied down on the ground to hide.

    yep hide....you see the bright yellow rain gear pants i was wearing kinda stood out and the carp were staring at me and so i had to dissappear. i used some wire and lashed my rod to the wire railing just in case i couldn't get to the rod in time.

    half hour later i see the rod bouncing and know there has been a take...20 seconds of screaming run while i try to undo the wire lashing of the rod.....the carp has taken out alot of line and ran through two bridges...

    challenging ....i thought ok the pressures off...even if you can fight the carp back through both bridges ...there is no way you can reach the carp with the net...no access point through the railing.

    so i fought the carp back and had it below me and felt i had won a hard fought battle....i wanted to get this carp landed.

    i actually let out line and worked around bushes and trees and travelled another 50 feet until i found myself a place where i stood a chance of landing the carp.

    i tweaked a rib muscle reaching out while lying on the wet ground1/2 of me hanging down over the water...i was pretty sure i was gonna go for a swim...but my luck prevailed and i landed the carp.

    my first curry corn carp...thankyou CAG members for the tip...it worked very well.

    17lbs 8oz carp ....i am so happy!!!!....the work that went into this one carp made it feel like it was such a victory.

    i also spotted the carp with the lamprey on it...same pod of carp today.

    around 3pm water conditions went to crap where i was fishing...i tried for an hour and felt like everything vacated the area with the changing muddiness of the water....i checked out other areas and then went home with out seeing any more carp.

    satdec02005.jpg

  15. totally impressed! not sure which is more amazing....the number of awesome carp...or your sheer determination to fish regardless of bone chilling cold....showing a little of the Hamilton area "grit" and "toughness".....inspirational!.......love that duct tape is now considered standard carping equipment....bass and trout do not often break your equipment like carp do. last night's fishing sounds like one for the books. Ken's line must be a mess after dragging that chair fron the muddy depths.

    i'll give you guys the "wow" factor....i couldn't believe you went out and fished last night.

  16. i am fishing with 3.5 feet of ground space 100 yards long between two fences 6 feet from water level and a 3 foot rail....time is important...i like pics but if the carp gets dirty i gotta live with it so that i can put her back quickly....putting her in the water to wash her off is a difficult task at this swim....netting and returning the carp leaves me breathless especially after a good fight in heavy current. i hope this explains the dirty carp....heck you should see how dirty i got rolling on the ground to get the net to the water!

×
×
  • Create New...