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  1. I appreciate the thought that went into this, Dan, but I actually prefer the peg rotation system or even the current system over your proposal. I would much rather compete on the same day in the same conditions rather than hoping that conditions at my peg for my session are better than conditions at the same peg at another session. For example, we have seen peg 1 finish with 15 fish on two different sessions, but we have also seen peg 1 blanking or catching 2 or 3 fish at other sessions. I really doubt that angler skill and/or their choice of bait/tackle made the difference at peg 1. The difference, I would argue, was more reflective of the varied water/weather conditions on those different days. Under your proposal, the serendipity of the weather and water conditions on different days become the luck factor. I certainly wouldn't want to be in a peg competition if I had to fish in those blizzard conditions in which your Group B fished and then have a different group compete for peg points in much better conditions.

    For that reason, I think peg rotation throughout the 10 sessions of the league is a fairer system.

    I think an even fairer system, that incorporates angler knowledge (specifically watercraft), would be to have anglers choose pegs under the following format: To establish baseline data, have a random peg draw at each group's first session. For every session after that, the angler with the lowest point total would be given first choice of pegs with, of course, the highest ranking angler given the last choice. From a purely statistical, clinical standpoint (i.e., peg selection reflects the order of finish every time because the first chooser selects the best peg), this would result in a tie for first among all participants at the end of the league. Of course, we all know that a couple hook pulls or a good day at a supposedly bad peg or even a peg choice mistake will not result in the same number of points for all participants at the end of the league. However, it will, I believe, allow another interesting aspect to the league by relying on angler knowledge rather than blind luck in the peg selection process. I think it will also result in a tighter grouping of scores and a more exciting contest, right until the last day.

    We need to dramatically reduce blind luck, especially, as Mihai indicated, in a contest that anybody is capable of winning. The more we can reduce the luck factor, the better/fairer the contest will be. We have seen the same luck-of-the-draw results in the Joliet League, and if that league continues next year, the rules will most definitely change to reduce the luck factor. I look forward to other discussion/ideas.--Frank

    Yep, just trying to come up with alternatives. The weather is a factor that cannot be controlled. Although I like the peg rotation idea, weather is still a factor.

    That being said, the better suggestion so far is the one where the angler with the least points chooses his peg first. The more I think about it, the more I like it. :)

  2. ...and as You know some of them made mistake did not count all fish, that is why you won last time :)

    but like a said it is a competition, sport and is your choice to pick tactic to win, sometimes tactic is wrong and You loose

    Wow. I caught four more fish than the next angler.

    That is some serious culling!

  3. Interesting, I like this idea. I guess If we put this together with the ideas of rotating pegs and points we would have the perfect league as far as fairness goes. Im sure someone would still find something to complain about :P

    Yes Mike. Under this system, rotating pegs is an option. But I rather like the idea that if I get peg 3 twice, the second time I know the peg better and stand a better chance of catching more fish.

    How we are going count points Dan??? After league??? or every round??? sorry l did not get this

    The points would be counted every week just like now.

    The difference would be that this week you may have 5 point for peg 3 but next week another angler at peg 3 catches more fish, so now you would have 4 points and so on.

    The idea is that you would only be fishing against anglers that fish that peg, and not against anglers on other pegs.

    Remember that the problem now is that an angler on pegs 2 and 3 have very little chance against anglers on 1 and 5.

  4. There has been much discussion as to how to even the playing field at tournaments, like the Winter Carp League, that use the same venue and pegs throughout. I am proposing a new point system that has not been discussed.

    The current problem is that certain pegs are more productive than the others,and this is true at any venue. The current system gives an unfair advantage to an angler that is lucky enough to draw the better pegs repeatedly.

    The way this new system would work is that an angler would still draw for a peg, but instead of fishing against other anglers that day, who may have drawn better pegs, he would be fishing against anglers in other groups that have drawn the same peg.

    Let's say we are still working on the current 5 point system. Five different anglers on five different weekends have fished peg 1; the angler who catches the most fish/weight would get 5 points, the angler catching the next highest number of fish/weight would get 4 points and so on.

    Let's say an angler gets the same peg twice or more times. He would still be fishing against the peg on the same point system. So he could only get 5 points once. If he caught the two highest fish/weight for that peg he would get 5 points for the highest and 4 points for the second highest.

    The idea here is that no matter what peg you get, the playing field is now better balanced. :)

  5. Here is an interesting stat.

    Most fish caught per peg, top 3:

    Peg 1 Frank 15, Mike 15, Lukaz 10

    Peg 2 Tracy 4, Ed 3, Mihai 3

    Peg 3 Istvan 9, Larry K 6, Mike 5, Ernest 5

    Peg 4 Adam 7, Greg 6, Mihai 5, Larry H 5

    Peg 5 Dan 10, Iacob 10, Greg 10

    If we go by these stats, most desirable pegs in order are: 1,5,3,4,2

    ...and that is 15 different anglers :) !

  6. I hope this one is not in June or July because I will be in Italy this year. The Red River of the North is my old fishing hole too, so I hope I get a chance to be in this tournament.

    Hi Paul,

    No worry,"viaggio sicuro".

    The CCC will be held, as customary, in September.

    It has been posted on the events calendar, September 9th, 10th and 11th. :)

    Thanks

    Dan

  7. These are pictures of one of the CCC 2011 venues... :)

    Access roads like this to the parking lots

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    Ramps like this at several access points to the venue

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    Paul Wells measuring the venue

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    Chicago Skyline to the south

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    Heading north

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    One of the access ramps

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    Paul and Heidi at the bottom of the access ramp

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    Looking back south

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  8. Although i'm not a competion angler i'd love to be able to travel to one of these and visit paul @wacker to pick up a pair of Harrisons :D Sounds like a cool place to visit, maybe one year.

    Hope it goes well for all who can go B)

    Hey Baitbucket,

    Don't not come because it's a competition!

    There are many reasons to come:

    This is a great chance to meet many of our CAG friends from around the country.

    You could volunteer as a weigh steward.

    I believe Wacker Baits will be hosting a party.

    We will be hosting fish ins for all who choose to come early or stay late :) . We have some excellent venues here.

    The city itself is spectacular with so much to do. Make it a family vacation that happens to have the CCC on the weekend :lol:

    Look for attractions and their information to be posted, in the near future, on the CCC website.

    BTW: Lake Michigan is also an excellent Salmon and Trout fishery. There are many charters available as well as shore fishing.

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    Here is few pics on the lake. It is a huge freshwater lake, up to 900 ft deep.

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    Note the city in the background about 15 miles out

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    A couple of small fish that day, but a lot of fun!

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    I really hope you can make it the CCC!!! :thewave:

  9. Thanks for all the feed back. I was planning on preparing the field corn by soaking it in water for roughly 24hrs then boiling it for 30-45min. From what I've read that seems what one needs to do to make it safe for the fish. On what I was planning on doing with it afterwards was using it to prebait a spot in the local river that seems not to freeze this time of year due to the warm water coming from the water treatment plant and I was also planning on using it on a hair rig and possibly using it in a mix to put in a mesh pva bag.

    Water treatment plant? Hold on to your hat!

    These areas will hold a lot of carp.

    When you chum, throw a bit close to shore where you can see it. If its not there the next day, you will know that carp are in the area.

    Do let us know how it goes :)

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