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So mr big you dont think the euro scene could be convenient to any fishing scenario?
Im trying to make a point. How you bark out how euro stuff is silly. I want to know if you ever benefited off a single euro product.
I never said that......I said "" for the most part ""Grasshopper. Never said it was silly, I said the angler that believes he needs it here in the USA is silly...
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That might very well be true Tom. Problem is you try harder than anyone to make everyone believe otherwise. Being close minded and sounding close minded can be completely different things. All smoke and mirrors. And you are the grand master. Didn't your PB come on a boilie? Mine came on oats and cream style corn.
There is a very big difference mario. Most all the Euro wannabees on this forum talk of what they think things should be like. They have let themselves be hoodwinked. I speak the cold hard truth through many years of trial and error. No its not what a man that has spent thousands of dollars and invested his Proper reputation on wants to hear, but it is still the cold hard tested truth. I wish I didnt know now what I didnt know then...lol.. Closed minded to anything that doesnt fit the Euro profile. Not proper so it doesnt count.
Here is a news flash for YOU....We are not in Europe....I never said the Euro styles and techniques are not needed in EUROPE....I said they are, for the most part, usless here in the good ole USA. I have done both ya know, even though I am a typical Southern knuckle dragger.
Tom.
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Mr big you still didnt answer my question. Do you own any euro gear/tackle?
Yes or no?
Instead of answer questions you like to do your " same old dance"
As far as I know, the only euro gear I own I won and were gifts. I give 95% of it away including a nice remote bait boat which I donated to a club event up north.. Shh no one is susposed to know that... My Brit partner has a full set of two of everything which he and I have won over the years. Due to paylake baits and techniques of course. One shouldn't be so closed minded...especially when m aking your mind up when you don't know squat about a single thing a man of which you have never fished with has, has done, or why he has done it... Closed minded classic.
Tom.
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Each person on both sides(paylake/euro) are just simply confident in what they use and don't want to change. I like wearing red and you like wearing blue. They both are cotton, same size, and length. Just what we like and wont change.
This is the most closed minded statement I h ave ever read. You have no idea at all what I have done with the hundreds of hous spent with top notch euro anglers. I don't brag or talk about those that offer or get help, but I do stand up for the truth even if most can not wrap their simple minds around it. When I teamed up with a Brit six or seven years ago the idea was for our team to make the best of both baits and techniques. We both promised to use what worked no matter where it came from. The rest is Proven history young man. You need to wake up, smell the roses and GUS...
Tom.
ps.. why is it that 99% of people make you drage them kicking and screaming all the way to the top.???? Simply closed minded knowitalls.
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" You also don't need good gear to catch big carp and numbers of carp, you need good bait, a good spot, and free time.."
I know you dont need fancy expensive rods and reels. What im getting at is the quality useful items you can get. Stuff that helps carp anglers.
also I am aware of you using carp care from the big 4.
this post was just directed towards mr big.
I wanna know if he owns any euro gear. Since he trash talks everything euro.
I dont care how you fish for carp. You will find euro products useful. Instead of that inflatable air mattress they have nice foldable mats. Or nice rucksacks for that long walk. Why are they nicer than products sold in other "fishing stores"? Because euro products had some thought behind them for carp anglers not for a person to hold books. Alot of thought goes into their products, it shows when you get quality gear.
it really winds me up when I hear anti euro talk when you dont know what your missing.
This is simply classic of the angler that thinks he knows everything but instead is really close minded. I wonder just how many hours he has spent at a true southern paylake?? just how many hours he has spent with a true southern paylaker?? Now I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours with some of the best Euro anglers around the globe and over 50 years southern paylaking. But Hey, I don't klnow squat... CLASSIC...
GUS
Tom.
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Method feeder.... It feeds method..Sounds a bit daft doesnt it. Just think of the imagination it took to come up with such a thing. A mini trash can of sort made to hold a bait that needs holding. Someone needs to market them at the local paylakes. I would imagine that it was made to keep the bream from eating all the method before a carp could find the boilie, which was made so the bream couldnt eat the hookbait before the carp got to it. Noon of which is needed here in the USA. But, since it has been deemed Proper then it matters not if it is needed. Hence all the big fish or better known as Specimen hunters. But since the term is deemed proper then it matters not if its just a fancy way of covering up an anglers failures on the bank. Did someone say " closed minded "?
Tom.
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The few verbal paylakers and paylaker wannabees on this forum are paylaking's worst enemy. You all make paylakers look and sound like the most close-minded bunch of fishing muppets on the planet. It's a shame really for all the other paylakers out there, especially those that once used to visit this forum.
Thanks for the very kind words. I guess since most everyone on this forum is chunking some kind of basterdized Pack its time to kick the paylaker out? -
Like I said, if you havent experienced it then you have no clue. Why be curious?? GUS.I'm not sure what nutritionally about pack bait makes it the best food? Or how it is the best food at all?
Most attractive food maybe? Like fast food for Americans...
This is genuine curiosity coming from someone in the southwest that has never seen a pay lake. Not saying you're wrong. Just trying to learn.
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Well. I guess we now have the difference.
GUS
Tom.
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Carp will eat most anything. Even boilies when there is nothing else for them to eat. Carp will always eat the best food that is available and I mean available. You can fish by yourself using a turd and catch a carp. Should you fish beside someone else that is using method mix or ground bait and you still throw the turd, then the method/groundbait/boilie will catch. Should a paylaker sit beside the angler throwing the method mix/ground bait/boilie, then the paylaker using his packbait and pickup will catch and the euro guy will be reduced to a net man. Now, if you have never fished beside a True Southern Paylaker then you can not comment with any truth or credibility. Since my angling career will clearly show that I have fished with some of the very best Euro anglers, both here in the USA and in Europ, I do believe I can clearly tell the truth with credibility. The anglers that claim the hair and boilie are gospel have in fact never frequented a true Southern Paylaken or spent one minute on the bank with a true Southern Paylaker. ie. their claims are baseless/wishfull thinking/a wet dream.
There was once a guy in upstate NY that was in the euro bait buisness. Living near B-ville he claimed that his bait was top notch and would destroy packbait given the chance. I told him that he had better wish that he did not get pegged next to me. WEll, well guess what happened. He got pegged next to me. My euro partner and myself, using pack and puffs landed 1,800 lbs in 50 hrs. The pro euro bait maker and his team mate landed SIX fish in 50 hrs. This is what a true Southern Packbait and pickup will do in competition. This is a proven FACT, not something wished or imagined. Ya'll boilie chunkers can talk your specimen hunting and all that crap but the truth is, your afraid of the Southern paylaker and what he brings to the table. Another TRUTH.... Any boilie chunker that does any good in competition is chunking some kind of packbait....
Competition is said by some to not be their cup o tea.... BS.. Like I said, competition gives the carp a chance to pick the best baits in the water, and they do. Angling by yourself?? you might as well chunk a turd.
Tom.
On the Puff
GUS
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I just LMAO when some say " its the same only different". True Einstiens of carp baits. 95% of claims made about packbait in this topic are without fact, made by those that have never even seen a true Southern Paylake much less spent time fishing one. For those few that have, they choose their words very carefully not to blemish their reputations. lol Simply put, paylaking and nothing about it is not Proper. Therefore it simply doesnt count. Should you try it and catch, it was just luck and doesnt count. Heck, if your not holding a carp Properly wislt having a picture taken, the catch doesnt count, it wasnt done Proper. The whole cause of the division of the two methods is due to one not being Proper. Thats it in a nut shell m8's. Paylaking just aint proper. These are not my words guys. Ya'll Euro guys know it because it was told me by several of the best Brits in the game. in confidence of course. While they do love ya, they just don't want to be seen with you in public.. lol I guess Paylakers are the Rodney Dangerfields of carp angling...
Tom.
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Did I mention SOUND already?
Good Point. When the 4oz of lead, cage, boilie hit the water they do make a splash. Of cours my 1/4 oz and ball of pack isnt quiet, but I have heard that big splashes draws the carp...
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I'm the lake record holder for Hominy Tom...biggest single carp to ever grace the scales in a tournament down there, 30lb 8ounces...very nice fish and a real thrill to land!
Match method feeder and a couple of grains of corn on a size fourteen hook....crumb and fish meal...
And now how about my question??
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How does the pickup trigger the strike? My Brit partner Colin tortured himself for years over this one. His final opinion was, and I quote, " it's like matching the hatch when there ain't no hatch to match". Puffology. 99% of anglers will never be able to wrap their minds arouond packbait, the whys and whynots, when and when nots. You can forget ever being able to wrap your mind around puffology. The flavor calls em, the packbait holds them over any other bait in the water, and the pickup/lifter, done correctly will then do its job and trigger the strike. Poetry in motion if your deep enough to comprehend it. Simple, quick and deadly in competition.
Colin and myself went to France for a second trip by winning the Hominy OK event. Total weight, Big four, and Big fish, All on pack and On the Puff. We did leave second and third though. We also sandbagged.
Just enough to winn the turkey m8's. no need making all those Euro guys feel that bad.GUS
On the Puff
Tom.
ps. BTW Mark, how did you and Herk do at Hominy?? Did someone say Rats??
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My boys PB at the Fall WCC event came on a traditional 'Grandad' rig (because that's how my grandad used to fish) or, as some like to refer to it, a Paylake rig, a lead with a hole in it and a swivel, finished off with a UK match Method style 2 inch hook length and a nice tasty little rubber ball to trigger the...er....strike...
And just what is the magic behind the (rubber ball ) that actually triggers the strike? noon m8.
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Well sorry to contradict you Tom but a boilie can be bait or pick up...
Well now. Quite interesting to say the least. One question for you though, just what did you call the boilie before the paylakers introduced the (( PICKUP))???? Like I said, Bait, Bait, it's Bait. Nothing to cause the strike. If I'm wrong, and I have been before, please explain in detail with a nice timeline too.
on the Puff
Tom.
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Tom, You and I have had our differences in the past but I believe for the last few years we have remained rather civil. I've come to the understanding that you've provided a rather very beneficial set of education with baits even though your way of coming across at times (LOT of times) is rather piss poor and degarading flat out.
You've managed to disrespect individuals (that respect you) that had nothing to do with certain topics such as this one. That alone is what gets you into breaking the forum rules, your passion for what you believe can be easily communicated , but you've often taken it to another level. There is no need for personal attacks or name calling.
Again, if gents are to discuss then leave it as a discussion topic and not to belittle anothers way of doing what they do. Bringing something up totally off topic is another way of steering topics off hand.
Simply keep topics on topic, banter and have a good time and don't get personal...KISS
You can perceive yourself as the perfect gent on the banks, but online your many times something totally different. That's a fact with a proven track record.
All the best,
Andy
, I do forgive you. You have a club to run and sponsors/members to make happy. BTW don't you throw Packbait?? and I didnt bring said topic up, I responded to it. lol Sorry for the inconvience.
Tom.
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Please tell me all this wasn't to just mess with a member.......
Larry Larry Larry. Sit down, take a deep breath, No one got a cherry here.
Overlooking some personalities, it is an informative topic. Like all good debates, it takes two oposites to make for conversation that has any substance. Sometimes one tends to go off topic a bit , as usual, but no harm meant, no foul intended. Tom.
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OK. The hard truth. The best thing to happen to method in the past 20 years is Packbait. I would offer that 95% of the long rods on this forum have introduced the ingredience of packbait in one way or another to increase their catch rate. No need to thank the low, knuckle dragging paylaker for helping thousands of long rod anglers increase their catch rate. So far, no item that the traditional long rod used have been proven in any way to help the catch rate at the paylakes down here where paylakes have been on the cutting edge of bait for more that 70 years. Not to mention Puffology. Paylakers don't read books on carp angling, they have it passed down from one generation to another. We prove our baits and methods seven days a week 365 days a year in hard earned competition where the BS gets you nothing. No excuses, just consistant results. If it breaks your heart then I'll have a crying towel for you next time we meet.
Causing anglers to think long and hard about their baits and techinques is a good thing. BTW.....I have nothing to sell. My only interest is increasing the catch rate of everyone on this forum and those I meet at events. I am indeed, the perfect gentleman angler. Just ask anyone that has spent bank time with me or had help online. However, help is for the needy, not the greedy.
Respectfully I remain
Ye ole knuckle dragger
On the Puff
GUS
Tom.
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That is what I love about the Brits and why angling with them is always a blast. You know that. lol..
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I did alright when I fished the pay lake World Champs, qualified for a start...and the four Guys to the right of me all blanked, as did the four opposite me (I had a corner spot)....bit unlucky to not get on the board really...problem is Tom is that match fishing is all about the method (and I'm not talking about THE Method), which incidentally, and I think you will like this, was originally known, in my neck of the woods, as The Dog Muck Method...Anyway, what would work at the pay lakes, or at least what I think would work, isn't allowed...plus the fish have no lips so it's tricky using small hooks...
Loose the argument and then blast the methods. I know you better than you know yourself m8. Cheers.
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Please please refer to the C.I.P.S world matchfishing website. Team U.S.A has been a consistent leader in finishing in the bottom five in the whole wide world for more than thirty years now...at various venues across multiple continents....
Proof that you can not beat a man at his own game m8. Now, show me results of match anglers competing at paylakes?? NOON m8. they would never have a chance. Bottom line, everyone is a winner till a paylaker comes into the mix.
GUS.
Tom.
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Like I said. No method to the madness. If it won't break then put in a cage/stocking/pva or whatever. Add what ever winds your clock with absolutely no thought of just what the carp might want most at any give time. Hell, the Euro guys chunk the same method, only different, year round. And their bait is their Hookbait/boilie or whatever. Nothing about triggering the strike. Pure stoneage. But hey, the brits make great tea, which I do love, and read some great books whist waiting for a run. Truth be told, the brits, here in this great country, have copied packbait to the extreme, basterdizing the very essente of the bait and technique.
On the Puff
GUS
Tom.
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Sooo your saying that your bolie is not bait?? Never heard a bolie described as a pickup. BAit bait bait...over and over. Herin lies the difference. Packbait, when used properly never uses another bait with it but a pickup that triggers the strike. But you knew that...lol...Groundbait is ground up bait. Just like you explain packbait. Just make sure your pickup is better then your pack. Groundbait with a high protein boilie/popup/pack with a puff.
they are the same thing.
Dont be hating on europeans. Most of us wouldnt be here if europe never existed. Long live euro carping!
I really think your a bit jealous and secretly have a rod pod, have a spot of tea in the morning and a kevin nash poster above your bed.
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I think everyone should use what they want.I do however stand firm on the premise that Euro stuff is not needed, for the most part, in the USA. Ifn its all you know then by all means use it. Doesnt make it the very best for carp angling here in the USA, for the most part. In competition, second place sucks. I know.
Tom.