Larry, my point was this, saying that cag or carp anglers are the common denominator isnt a good saying seeing as we r all on a carp website therefore we are all into the same thing. For example, i was heavy on another forum about a year ago who also thought it was funny that many of the people on that site had issues with cc fraud, well the culprit had nothing at all to do with that site. My thoughts are actually looking outside of the carp world. For me, i dont look at this as a carp thing. We r only,common because of the site we freaquent.